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What tier would someone be if he created infinite boundless realms?
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What Tier Would Be This Feat?
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Rikimarox2
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boundless as in, in our terms? Like, tier 0 structures and shit, or just normal boundless/infinite realms?
If the former, then it's still Tier 0. Just higher into it.
If the former, then idk tbh.
If the former, then it's still Tier 0. Just higher into it.
If the former, then idk tbh.
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By Boundless U mean Tier 0 realms ?!
It would be still higher into Tier 0 since it has no true endpoint
It would be still higher into Tier 0 since it has no true endpoint
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Yes, tier 0 realms
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Yeah its still Tier 0 just higher into it
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What is beyond tier 0?
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Nothing is beyond Tier 0 in this site
It has no true endpoint
Maybe only Memes, Pewds & we are beyond Tier 0 lol
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Ain't any tier beyond tier 0. No matter how far you are above tier 0 realms, even if you infinitely transcend them, you are still just gonna be tier 0.
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Okay, would omnipotence be the peak of tier 0, if the characters is tier 0 and stated to be omnipotent?
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Still Tier 0
Rikimarox2
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To be more blunt, Omnipotent statement means nothing because its not provable. Even if they are tier 0.
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Yeah omnipotent isnt a proven thing
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Omnipotent isn't a thing on this wiki
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It can be, if he the character has no limits in every way.
Neither is a boundless realm.
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Cool but don't change a things here it's have 0 value
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Yeah, the peak of tier 0 value.
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No just 0 value, it's does nothing, seriously i don't thing it's hard to understand, except if you want to troll
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There is no peak to tier 0. It's called boundless for a reason.
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Can't you read? There are degrees of tier 0 like high 1-A such as low.
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There isn't.
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Not according to the own site self: This tier has no true endpoint, and can be extended unto any higher level, spiraling infinitely upwards.
Tiering System
The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...
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That's my point, there's no such thing as peak tier 0, as the tier itself doesn't have a peak
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It literally says there is no true end. What they mean is that a character can be infinitely above tier 0, but will still be tier 0.
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I am talking about the degrees of tier 0. I have seen people talking that tier 0 characters can be defeated and be stronger than a other tier 0.
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It maybie can doesn't change that omnipotent have not meaning and don't even something that have value (not in term of supperiority but that have no influence to be called such way)
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Yes and No? There isn't any objective strongest tier 0. Tier 0 matches as well as 1-A matches were kinda banned because they had no answer to them other incon.
Although as of now, if the upgrade comes to fruition, yoga sothoth could potentially be the most powerful character in all of fiction iirc
Although as of now, if the upgrade comes to fruition, yoga sothoth could potentially be the most powerful character in all of fiction iirc
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Explain why you think that?
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So there is no such things as god concept in fiction? Also you contradicted yourself: "There isn't any objective strongest tier 0" or "yoga sothoth could potentially be the most powerful character in all of fiction iirc". Which one is it and what by measurument did you use it to come to that conclusion in tier 0?
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Because can't be proved? Even if their was the highest of tier 0, it would still be not an enough proof to a such statement
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Can you prove a boundless structered realm without statement?
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That's why I said yes and no. One could argue yog sothoth could be the strongest character in fiction, but that isn't subjective as saying 616 iron man is stronger than MCU iron man. There's no true subjective answer
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I disagree, because I accept the concept of omnipotent the same way I accept boundless tier 0.
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That's not how the wiki works but ok
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That is the hyprocrisy and inconsistency of this wiki. No wonder they have so many revisions.
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Not because you accept that is valid you know?
With description you can, you can't prove omnipotent with description technically that even more chance to show that it's not omnipotent because you can describe it
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Otherwise here the description for why the wiki don't use omnipotent term, if not happy do a thread
Despite the many theological and philosophical perspectives regarding omnipotence and its paradoxes, the term is something that is completely impossible to prove or demonstrate on any conceivable level.
By its very definition, it is something that cannot be used to measure a character, and claims of omnipotence, no matter how complex or developed, should never be viewed as evidence.
In addition, our system is built on hierarchies, with tier 0 defined as possessing absolute transcendence above all other beings within the system, but raw power and stature do not necessarily carry over to the complete versatility of omnipotence.
Thus, within this Wiki even characters with the highest Tier 0 ranking do not have the term listed among their powers and abilities.
Despite the many theological and philosophical perspectives regarding omnipotence and its paradoxes, the term is something that is completely impossible to prove or demonstrate on any conceivable level.
By its very definition, it is something that cannot be used to measure a character, and claims of omnipotence, no matter how complex or developed, should never be viewed as evidence.
In addition, our system is built on hierarchies, with tier 0 defined as possessing absolute transcendence above all other beings within the system, but raw power and stature do not necessarily carry over to the complete versatility of omnipotence.
Thus, within this Wiki even characters with the highest Tier 0 ranking do not have the term listed among their powers and abilities.
Rikimarox2
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Ah christ, this is gonna take a while. That's literally not how the wiki works. For tier 0, you could actually get that by stacking hierarchies on top of hierarchies, as long as each level in those hierarchies are transcendental over the lower one, and every hierarchy is unreachable to the lower one.
In the same way higher dimensions work, a 4th dimensional being will always be superior to a 3rd dimensional being (provided that these dimensions are superior to each other), and a 5th one transcends the 4th, and so on and so forth.
But if you transcend an uncountable infinite amount of dimensions, then you reach tier 1-A, outerversal.
Now, if you stack a 1-A hierarchy just like the dimension hierarchy, where the higher one is transcendental over the lower one, and there are an uncountable infinite amount of them (Not sure if this is necassery, some say it is, some say it isn't, but I digress), then you can reach H1A.
Now do the same with H1A like the other ones, and make a hierarchy of it, then you reach tier 0.
Do the same with tier 0, and make a hierarchy of it. You would still be tier 0, but you are immensely above the baseline tier. In other words, you are infinitely above normal tier 0 dudes. Destroying said hierarchy would be a feat.
For omnipotence, this shit just can't be proven even with statements. Just saying "lol me omnipotent" or "lol no limits" doesn't matter. Let's say that a god of a verse says he is omnipotent, but his cosmology caps out at baseline Tier 0.
Another character from another series says he's omnipotent, but his cosmology instead caps out at infinitely above baseline tier 0. Both characters state they are omnipotent, but one has a bigger cosmology than the other. Is the second guy somehow more "Omnipotent" than the first? No, because that would contradict what Omnipotence means.
This is the main reason why we don't use it, because there could always be verses with bigger cosmologies, and feats out there.
Do you get what I'm saying here?
Anyways, sorry if the wording is a bit off.
Honestly, I think I should've quoted the omnipotence page and be done with it, but eh
In the same way higher dimensions work, a 4th dimensional being will always be superior to a 3rd dimensional being (provided that these dimensions are superior to each other), and a 5th one transcends the 4th, and so on and so forth.
But if you transcend an uncountable infinite amount of dimensions, then you reach tier 1-A, outerversal.
Now, if you stack a 1-A hierarchy just like the dimension hierarchy, where the higher one is transcendental over the lower one, and there are an uncountable infinite amount of them (Not sure if this is necassery, some say it is, some say it isn't, but I digress), then you can reach H1A.
Now do the same with H1A like the other ones, and make a hierarchy of it, then you reach tier 0.
Do the same with tier 0, and make a hierarchy of it. You would still be tier 0, but you are immensely above the baseline tier. In other words, you are infinitely above normal tier 0 dudes. Destroying said hierarchy would be a feat.
For omnipotence, this shit just can't be proven even with statements. Just saying "lol me omnipotent" or "lol no limits" doesn't matter. Let's say that a god of a verse says he is omnipotent, but his cosmology caps out at baseline Tier 0.
Another character from another series says he's omnipotent, but his cosmology instead caps out at infinitely above baseline tier 0. Both characters state they are omnipotent, but one has a bigger cosmology than the other. Is the second guy somehow more "Omnipotent" than the first? No, because that would contradict what Omnipotence means.
This is the main reason why we don't use it, because there could always be verses with bigger cosmologies, and feats out there.
Do you get what I'm saying here?
Anyways, sorry if the wording is a bit off.
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We have many revisions due to many people having different opinions and views, you act as if the wiki functions with only one view in mind
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Why than not use it Omnipotence: Someone who transcends uncountable infinite boundless structured realms with every cosmology imaginable being infinitely below it like transcending all of fiction and able to erase real life reality itself.
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