What tier are Wuji and Taiji?

[Orioreeem]

^^^

 

[Orioreeem]

Bump

 

[Orioreeem]

Bump

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

means nothing on its own

 

[Vietthai96]

Assuming these shit is real deal and not some generic term, tier 0 or at least 1-A, these things is practically monad of Daoism

 

[Orioreeem]

In Chinese mythology?

 

[Vietthai96]

Taiji and Wuji are terms originated from Chinese myth, Daoism, or Taoism, both words are refering to the same Chinese philosophical ideas/religion

 

[Orioreeem]

Assuming these shit is real deal and not some generic term, tier 0 or at least 1-A, these things is practically monad of Daoism

Yea that's what I am asking, what tier they are if they are the real deal

 

[Vietthai96]

1-A to tier 0

 

[Orioreeem]

Thank you. Can you answer my other questions, please?

 

[Orioreeem]

1-A to tier 0

Another thought just came to me. Since Wuji is nothingness would someone who has NEP because of that nothingness have that tier of NEP or even be that tier?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The concept of Wuji represents formless, infinite nothingness, holding the potential for everything. However, the Taiji alters this state by introducing duality, meaning Wuji changes with the emergence of Taiji, preventing it from being considered Tier 0. Additionally, Wuji does not inherently scale above the concepts separated by Taiji.

If the concepts of time and space exist within this framework, they would be part of Wuji and could potentially scale it to Low 1-A, but it really all depends on the specific verse.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Maybe high 1-A+ tbh since Wuji and Taiji are unmanifest and manifest aspects of the Dao representing all of creation and such which the Dao would be 0 if accurately portrayed. Basically representing "creative ability" of a tier 0.

 

[Orioreeem]

The concept of Wuji represents formless, infinite nothingness, holding the potential for everything. However, the Taiji alters this state by introducing duality, meaning Wuji changes with the emergence of Taiji, preventing it from being considered Tier 0. Additionally, Wuji does not inherently scale above the concepts separated by Taiji.

If the concepts of time and space exist within this framework, they would be part of Wuji and could potentially scale it to Low 1-A, but it really all depends on the specific verse.

I see so Wuji can't be tier 0 unless Taiji isn't introduced, but that would be mean that the verse is basically nothing and just that?
Also

Another thought just came to me. Since Wuji is nothingness would someone who has NEP because of that nothingness have that tier of NEP or even be that tier?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Maybe high 1-A+ tbh since Wuji and Taiji are unmanifest and manifest aspects of the Dao representing all of creation and such which the Dao would be 0 if accurately portrayed. Basically representing "creative ability" of a tier 0.

True, the Dao is basically like the Root in Fate, so if they're described as being linked to it I could see High 1-A+.

I think accurate Wuji is defaulted to type 3 nonduality and NEP2 here.

Why?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Why?

misremembered. at best it'd be like 4 truth states which is just short of the 5 required.

 

[Vietthai96]

iirc, Taiji introduced the beginning and the and for Wuji???

Fate is textbook example of ultimate Dao

Now that @ActuallySpaceMan42 said, Taiji and Wuji is at best H1A+ it seem, Dao is tier 0, actually, Dao have no name and cannot be described, iirc

 

[Success0906]

The taiji is the One that contains Yin and Yang, or the Three. This Three is, in Taoist terms, the One (Yang) plus the Two (Yin), or the Three that gives life to all beings (Daode jing 42), the One that virtually contains the multiplicity. Thus, the wuji is a limitless void, whereas the taiji is a limit in the sense that it is the beginning and the end of the world, a turning point. The wuji is the mechanism of both movement and quiescence; it is situated before the differentiation between movement and quiescence, metaphorically located in the space-time between the kun 坤, or pure Yin, and fu 復, the return of the Yang. In other terms, while the Taoists state that taiji is metaphysically preceded by wuji, which is the Dao, the Neo-Confucians says that the taiji is the Dao.

So, if you visualize a Yin-Yang symbol. Taiji would be the circle containing both Yin and Yang (even though most people seem to think that’s wuji), while wuji is the emptiness the entire symbol appears in. In terms of reality, Yin is the object, Yang is the subject, Taiji is containment of subject-object and Wuji is the unknowable, imperceptible void which manifests the subject, the object, and their containment.

So all in all, Taiji and Wuji would be High 1-A+.