What qualifies as a 1-A being

[UnknownGodXXX]

Like I know this part in the Outerverse tiering system page

Characters that have no dimensional limitations. Basically, a being or an object which is outside and beyond all dimensions of time and space. This is something completely formless, abstract, metaphysical and transcendental. The usual scale does not make sense against a beyond dimensional object. Such beings can not be affected by destruction within the dimensions of time and space, or physical matter and energy. This "space" in which there is no dimension can be the background for any dimensional space. Within such a beyond dimensional "space", a dimensional structure with any number of dimensions can be placed, because there are no restrictions regarding dimensions. Note that all tier 1-A characters have qualitative superiority over dimensional structures and concepts. Also, mere capability to exist in a beyond dimensional domain does not qualify a character as a beyond dimensional being. There are two options in order to qualify for this tier: There should either be a qualitative superiority over infinite dimensions; or the superiority over the concept of dimensions (in general) should be clearly explained.

But in the Outerverse page it says In fact, to truly qualify for this term, the definition or application of a given cosmological structure must be very specific. Being beyond infinite-dimensional structures is not enough to qualify as an outerverse

Can a being be classified as 1-A if they are beyond dimensional limitations and all levels of space-time? Does one need to be above concepts to be 1-A? Regarding about an Outerverse, if a realm is beyond infinite-dimensional structure what else is needed for it to be classified as a 1-A realm.

 

[Antvasima]

A character needs to be qualitatively beyond all degrees of dimensions of space and time themselves.

If they simply transcend an infinite-dimensional structure, they could just be a higher degree of infinite dimensional/High 1-B.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

I see. Does a 1-A entity needs to be above conventional concepts like Destiny, Desire, Hate, Love, etc. to be 1-A?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Not really, they just have to be above the applications of space-time dimensionality, they don't necessarily have to be above more nebulous and relative ideas like the ones you listed, since the author can do whatever they want with them and set them on any desired scope.

 

[Antvasima]

Only if the concepts are bound/limited by time and space.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

I see. What if a character doesn't have any dimensional limitations and is transcendent to all levels of space-time but exists in all dimensional planes. Would that character be classified as 1-A?

 

[MYHERO]

What does qualitatively superior mean exactly?

 

[Antvasima]

Please elaborate regarding what you mean.

 

[MYHERO]

Who are you referring to?

 

[Antvasima]

UnknownGodXXX.

Anyway, to answer your question, it roughly means completely transcending the concepts themselves, not just being of a higher order of the same type of reality. I cannot explain it better than that. Sorry.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

I get that that's why I said "I see" but the question that I asked after it, is different. I asked "What if a character doesn't have any dimensional limitations and is transcendent to all levels of space-time but exists in all dimensional planes. Would that character be classified as 1-A?"

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If I understand correctly the tiering system then any 1-A should be able to exist in any dimensional place if they so much desired it.

So it does not matter if the setting is a 3-D one or up to High 1-B, any 1-A character could be/exist in all dimensional planes.

The Large Size page helps here.

 

[MYHERO]

I have a question as well. AP is what usually matters in 1-As right? Like as long as you have a bigger AP then that means you stomp because you're on another layer of transcendence compared to them, am I right?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's how things are done right now, so yes.

 

[MYHERO]

Okay so if Elder God Demonbane's AP is infinitely above baseline, then that means he should be already uber powerful in 1-A standards. Then how come it isn't in the top 5 character lists? Is it because the characters like Masada, Umineko, Lovecraft have like infinitexinfinite above basline AP?

 

[Dvorak1902]

We are only pretending like we understand Beyond-Dimensionality, it took years for Plato ffs.

 

[Maxnumb231]

Okay so if Elder God Demonbane's AP is infinitely above baseline, then that means he should be already uber powerful in 1-A standards. Then how come it isn't in the top 5 character lists? Is it because the characters like Masada, Umineko, Lovecraft have like infinitexinfinite above basline AP?

Because of how their power/ cosmology works when they transcend many levels of existence to 1-A beings so much that its no longer only infinite above 1-A

 

[MYHERO]

So basically my second question? Gotcha.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Because he is not infinitly above baseline?

 

[MYHERO]

I heard from others he was.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Can you link it? I want to see because IIRC from that thread ALRF made he isn't that strong

 

[MYHERO]

I don't remember where it was from sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

I get that that's why I said "I see" but the question that I asked after it, is different. I asked "What if a character doesn't have any dimensional limitations and is transcendent to all levels of space-time but exists in all dimensional planes. Would that character be classified as 1-A?"

And I asked you to elaborate regarding what you mean more specifically.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay so if Elder God Demonbane's AP is infinitely above baseline, then that means he should be already uber powerful in 1-A standards. Then how come it isn't in the top 5 character lists? Is it because the characters like Masada, Umineko, Lovecraft have like infinitexinfinite above basline AP?

As far as I understand, being infinitely about baseline is not much as far as 1-A is concerned.

 

[MYHERO]

Omigod. If you can formulate a specific example, then could you mind telling me what is?

 

[Antvasima]

Hajun is infinitely above baseline for example, but that is not much compared to the Umineko characters, who transcend many hierarchies of reality-fiction differences and can treat other 1-A characters in layers beneath them as nonexistent in comparison.

 

[Antvasima]

Even for 1-B and High 1-B characters, being uncountably infinitely above each other is only equivalent to a single dimensional difference.

 

[MYHERO]

Wait Hajun is only infinitely above baseline?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No? Every Hadou God is infinitely above another God with lower Taikyoku, and Hajuns is immeasurable and raising.

Just refer to the Shiori thingy.

 

[MYHERO]

Ah I see. I guess being infinitely above baseline is still quite fodder.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[MYHERO]

Not yet, we didn't hear from UnknownGodXXX yet.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

@Ant

I'm asking about if a character is 1-A or not. Judging from the term's definition, it is. Because the character that I proposed is above all levels of space-time and doesn't have any limitations. But what if, at the same time, it's also contradictory. It exists in all dimensional planes by its nature. Would the character be still 1-A or not because of how contrary it is?

If you're still confused and unclear about my question, then please kindly highlight which part it is.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It is not contradictory for a 1-A to exist in all dimensional planes, if the character is 1-A it can flood any dimensional level as it pleases or exist in every one of them, its called omnipresence. Also, look at that large size page.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

I see, that's helpful. Thanks that's all I need to know.

 

[Antvasima]

1-A characters can still recurrently manifest within reality bound by time and space via avatars, shadows, dream selves, etcetera.

 

[UnknownGodXXX]

You can close this now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.