Warrior cats

[Scourge_8]

So, I think Starclan Firestar should be 4-C via environmental destruction (non combat applicable) ( by creating a new star in the Milky Way) My edit got undone but I’m pretty sure it had been accepted in the old forum.

 

[Scourge_8]

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[Scourge_8]

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[DaReaperMan]

It was accepted to be removed in its entirety, especially since the feat in question lacks so much context its not even funny.

 

[Scourge_8]

What context? The lightning feat of non combat applicable environmental destruction just has as much context as the star environment destruction feat

 

[DaReaperMan]

Except we have an actual tier for the lightning(I kinda want it gone regardless though), the star feat is just as easily clan tradition completely being flowery language and hyperboling the hell out of it. There's a move if I remember off the top of my head having Thunderclan supposedly using lightning, but we've never seen it in action so that's easy to write off as a Hyperbole

 

[Scourge_8]

Except we have an actual tier for the lightning(I kinda want it gone regardless though), the star feat is just as easily clan tradition completely being flowery language and hyperboling the hell out of it. There's a move if I remember off the top of my head having Thunderclan supposedly using lightning, but we've never seen it in action so that's easy to write off as a Hyperbole

Ok, but do you have proof that the lighting feat is really caused by a leader loosing his last life? It doesn’t make sense you believe the lightning feat but not the star feat as it is described the same way

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ok, but do you have proof that the lighting feat is really caused by a leader loosing his last life? It doesn’t make sense you believe the lightning feat but not the star feat as it is described the same way

Read. "(I kinda want it gone regardless though)" plus if you've ever heard the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right" you know what applies here

And you wanna know the funny thing? We've seen cats die and go to starclan from their perspective before. There isn't any star creation at all. Hell, when we've seen a starclan cat actually die there wasn't anything about "one less star in the sky" in any later books at all.

 

[Scourge_8]

Oh ok, guess that makes sense. However I remember a feat from Starclan in the book named: « eclipse » didn’t they move the moon in front of the sun cuz they were pissed of or something like that?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh ok, guess that makes sense. However I remember a feat from Starclan in the book named: « eclipse » didn’t they move the moon in front of the sun cuz they were pissed of or something like that?

I know the thing, Solar Eclipses do happen naturally and as such can be dismissed as that, especially surrounding a group that's chalked full of Hyperboles and symbolism, which is the issue surrounding Starclan, we don't know what they REALLY can do, it's why they're just flat unknown despite the dark forest battle existing.

 

[Scourge_8]

I know the thing, Solar Eclipses do happen naturally and as such can be dismissed as that, especially surrounding a group that's chalked full of Hyperboles and symbolism, which is the issue surrounding Starclan, we don't know what they REALLY can do, it's why they're just flat unknown despite the dark forest battle existing.

Bro, I mean they can’t lie about everything, they literally said to the clans they were going to move the moon, for the lighting feat you stated for Thunderclan, it says: « they strike as lighting » which doesn’t mean at all what you were saying. Also for the dark forest battle, I think I figured it out. It is stated multiple times through the book that Starclan « don’t have the same impact in the clan’s reality as they have in theirs and that they « can’t appear in it easily unless it is absolutely nessesary » which likely means that they are somehow depowered ne put at a normal clan cat level in the clans territory, and it would likely be the same for the dark forest

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bro, I mean they can’t lie about everything, they literally said to the clans they were going to move the moon, for the lighting feat you stated for Thunderclan, it says: « they strike as lighting » which doesn’t mean at all what you were saying. Also for the dark forest battle, I think I figured it out. It is stated multiple times through the book that Starclan « don’t have the same impact in the clan’s reality as they have in theirs and that they « can’t appear in it easily unless it is absolutely nessesary » which likely means that they are somehow depowered ne put at a normal clan cat level in the clans territory, and it would likely be the same for the dark forest

In what way? Do they work as one? Is it just one cat? How many generations of cats are in StarClan? Nobody knows!

There are actually anti-feats for this, Yellowfang for instance basically said the only real reason she'd win against a then Jaypaw would be because she's more skilled and 3x his size. How about Ashfur being straight up 1:1 fought and drowned in the dark forest? How about Antpelt who was killed by Ivypool not once but twice, once living and once well, already dead, in the dark forest? There's no real proof of an amp to clan cats just dreaming their way into the afterlives.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The biggest issues of your scaling arises when you realize just how many unknowns we have about StarClan and how unexplained their feats are, you'd be making too many assumptions for any even decent calc.

For instance, StarClan walks among the stars right? Well what about that scene where Jayfeather was granted the opportunity to see the lake territories from StarClan's perspective where they're high enough to not see territory lines but not so high they can't actually see the territories?

 

[Scourge_8]

The biggest issues of your scaling arises when you realize just how many unknowns we have about StarClan and how unexplained their feats are, you'd be making too many assumptions for any even decent calc.

For instance, StarClan walks among the stars right? Well what about that scene where Jayfeather was granted the opportunity to see the lake territories from StarClan's perspective where they're high enough to not see territory lines but not so high they can't actually see the territories?

It’s more like an alternate dimension than « in the stars »

 

[Scourge_8]

In what way? Do they work as one? Is it just one cat? How many generations of cats are in StarClan? Nobody knows!

There are actually anti-feats for this, Yellowfang for instance basically said the only real reason she'd win against a then Jaypaw would be because she's more skilled and 3x his size. How about Ashfur being straight up 1:1 fought and drowned in the dark forest? How about Antpelt who was killed by Ivypool not once but twice, once living and once well, already dead, in the dark forest? There's no real proof of an amp to clan cats just dreaming their way into the afterlives.

Well I guess dark forest don’t scale to starclan

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well I guess dark forest don’t scale to starclan

They do. Spottedleaf was very heavily implied to be in a ton of danger in the dark forest, and not just because she could be forced to stay there

 

[Scourge_8]

They do. Spottedleaf was very heavily implied to be in a ton of danger in the dark forest, and not just because she could be forced to stay there

Well I guess Starclan is 8-B, possibly high 6-B with powers and 9-C physically? Which would make sense since following my theory they can’t use there powers in a place other than Starclan which is confirmed by the fact that they are described as intangible in Starclan and not in the clan’s territory

 

[Scourge_8]

And also, when Starclan uses there powers to send signs to the clans they are always on the Starclan territory