Vriska vs Giratina (unsealed)

[The_real_cal_howard]

Speed is equalized. Vriska is at her peak. Who wins?

 

[Voidchimera]

Vriska takes it easy due to immortality. Unless her death is just (ex she's killed for doing something evil) or heroic (ex she dies saving somebody's life), then Paradox Space will revive her in seconds, back to full strength, so Giratina really can't win. Plus, Vriska evenly fought (and is heavliy implied to have defeated) Bec Noir, which if you know Bec's feats, is pretty god damn impressive.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If Vriska gets the upgrade, please lock due to stomp, any admin that reads this.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

bump

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Well Giratina has been shown to be susceptible to Mind Control before. Immortality isn't a problem as Giratina can just seal her via Antimatter Manipulation.

 

[Voidchimera]

Well Giratina has been shown to be susceptible to Mind Control before. Immortality isn't a problem as Giratina can just seal her via Antimatter Manipulation.

Interesting. What protection does he have there? Depending on the type, Vriska still might be able to hurt him while in that dimension, seeing as her dice can count as a non-physical attack. (See: Dicekind ) Not sure if her mind control would work though, Pokemon are closer to animals, but Giratina seems to have near-human level intelligence minimum...

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

4-D omnipresence, acasuality, its antimatter world consists of Antimatter so any matter that enters would be immediately annihilated. It also has intangibility and telepathy also all make Giratina difficult to even hit, although tbf, due to CIS it doesn't use Telepathy to its fullest potential.

 

[Voidchimera]

Well, Vriska (and by extension Aranea) have some of the strongest psychic resistances in Homestuck, so i'm not sure telepathy would apply. Also, the antimatter is a HUGE advantage for Vriska. As soon as she enters, she becomes a repeatedly reviving ~1500 megaton nuclear bomb (approximation, plugging average weight of 70kg into E=MC^2 and converting the result), since random explodey deaths are obviously not heroic or just. If THAT doesn't kill him, it would definitely clear out the antimatter around her long enough for her to use the flurite octet, which is itself acausal...

Edit: Forgot that it isn't just her mass-energy being unbound, antimatter is annihilated in equal parts, so it ends up being a 140kg reaction resulting in a 3000 MT blast....

 

[Dexteradon12]

Well, Vriska (and by extension Aranea) have some of the strongest psychic resistances in Homestuck, so i'm not sure telepathy would apply. Also, the antimatter is a HUGE advantage for Vriska. As soon as she enters, she becomes a repeatedly reviving ~1500 megaton nuclear bomb (approximation, plugging average weight of 70kg into E=MC^2 and converting the result), since random explodey deaths are obviously not heroic or just. If THAT doesn't kill him, it would definitely clear out the antimatter around her long enough for her to use the flurite octet, which is itself acausal...
Edit: Forgot that it isn't just her mass-energy being unbound, antimatter is annihilated in equal parts, so it ends up being a 140kg reaction resulting in a 3000 MT blast....

After ganking Giratina's luck, this should be no problem for vriska. As for intangability, Bec and by extension Jack had that power as well, but it really didn't seem to stop her. And I doubt that Giratina's reality warping or dark matter is anywhere near as strong as the green *miles, which were overcome by Vriska before.

 

[Voidchimera]

After ganking Giratina's luck, this should be no problem for vriska. As for intangability, Bec and by extension Jack had that power as well, but it really didn't seem to stop her. And I doubt that Giratina's reality warping or dark matter is anywhere near as strong as the green likes, which were overcome by Vriska before.

Forgot about the luck thing! And yeah, she was pretty clearly shown to be able to attack Bec Noir, who WAS immaterial. Does that just make this a win?

 

[Dexteradon12]

Unless anyone else has anything to add, I would assume so

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Not really. Hitting non-corporeal beings is of course a plus, but Giratina teleports immediately after intangibility. Meaning there's still no guarantee the blows will land. A few hundred megatons are less than nothing to a being with Universe level+ durability (it's the interaction that's the issue, not the detonations), Giratina doesn't use Dark Matter and a subjective statement doesn't help matters when Giratina reality warps Universes.

 

[Dexteradon12]

Not really. Hitting non-corporeal beings is of course a plus, but Giratina teleports immediately after intangibility. Meaning there's still no guarantee the blows will land. A few hundred megatons are less than nothing to a being with Universe level+ durability (it's the interaction that's the issue, not the detonations), Giratina doesn't use Dark Matter and a subjective statement doesn't help matters when Giratina reality warps Universes.

Vriska has fought people with the ability to reality warp universes before and won without much trouble.

Does Giratina have jukes on this level? http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002880

 

[Voidchimera]

Not really. Hitting non-corporeal beings is of course a plus, but Giratina teleports immediately after intangibility. Meaning there's still no guarantee the blows will land. A few hundred megatons are less than nothing to a being with Universe level+ durability (it's the interaction that's the issue, not the detonations), Giratina doesn't use Dark Matter and a subjective statement doesn't help matters when Giratina reality warps Universes.

Still doesn't matter, all it means is he still doesn't have a way to kill her for good, and since it is possible for her to land a blow, she will win eventually just due to persistance.


Plus, 4x Prototyped Jack Noir, who she was heavily implied to have handed his ass (and at the very least almost killed, he had extremely low health before it cut), had VERY powerful teleport and reality warping powers, stolen from the character in the link Dexteradon posted, on the level of often just teleporting behind people with his sword already in their back before a battle even starts, teleporting his opponents around, pretty much total control of local spacetime. First Guardian powers are nothing to mess around with. Another good feat for those powers is here, which shows how quickly and with what precision these powers can be used (with Bec at one point teleporting in front of a bullet after it had already been shot, and then creating a wormhole to direct it into a target in a split second.) So yeah, she's shown to be able to counter it pretty effectively.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Fair enough. Many Giratina's Darkness Manipulation attacks ignore durability, it literally seems to be a one kill hit without even breaking the skin. Can her immortality and Regenerationn counter this?

 

[Voidchimera]

Fair enough. Many Giratina's Darkness Manipulation attacks ignore durability, it literally seems to be a one kill hit without even breaking the skin. Can her immortality and Regenerationn counter this?

Her immortality, (along with all other god-tier characters) is written into and brutally enforced by a 13-(minimum)-Dimensional spacetime known as Paradox Space. Any deviation from it's 'rules' dooms the entire timeline, (not that Giratina would even be capible of breaking them, since he doesn't have solid precognition/time travel). So no, it might kill her, but it wouldn't override her immortality. Even Lord English, a 1-B, can't break PSpace's laws.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I see.

 

[Dexteradon12]

The only way it's going to kill her is if she dies a "just" or "Heroic" death.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Speed is equalized though.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

Speed is equalized though.

My aplogies, I honestly did NOT see that. Any way Vriska can return from being BFR'd?