Void Termina's stuff (important revision)

[Eficiente]

Sure, GK even has that.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

If this thread is accepted what Teir would Void be placed at and who would scale?

Just curious

 

[Eficiente]

Anyone can have any tier via headcanons. Hard to say what he should have via non-existent stuff.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Hmm I may have some thoughts but quick question why is Void not considered Omnipresent or Nigh Omnipresent considering Astral Birth's description

 

[Eficiente]

Read this: Omnipresence, Nigh-Omnipresence.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I still don't see why he shouldn't be Nigh Omnipresent as him being present in all dimensions in the Kirby verse but whatever anyway...

To focus on the main thread what's the main reason the upgrade is being rejected?

 

[Eficiente]

Have you read the pages I linked you? He's not Omnipresent on those realities, there are Void Terminas in those dimensions. Do you understand?

What upgrade?

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Not really to be honest as existing in all dimensions seems like Omnipresence to me and I read the links but I saw nothing to honestly disprove it(Im most likely being stupid lol and not seeing the whole picture but I'm not asking for an upgrade)

But the thread on Void Termina being the creator of the Kirby verse what's the main reason it's being rejected?

I'm gonna do some more research on this topic because I don't think the topic is dead


Edit:Nvm your right I didn't read your message properly lol Void only exists in every dimension and not present in it

 

[Eficiente]

He doesn't exist in the dimensions in that way, all the context contradicts that.

He's the ancestor of it, which is no feat. This said above, which was ignore along with all the context. Don't make me request a rule against this, I like to believe you guys are better than that.

 

[Kirby71]

Have you read the pages I linked you? He's not Omnipresent on those realities, there are Void Terminas in those dimensions. Do you understand?
What upgrade?

>There are Void Terminas

D E D E D E L E T E.

Void Termina is the one, how can one show there are more than 1? No one can.

Shiro's translation says "There IS a being"

Even if he said It seems unespecefic, the Void is described as too godly to not be unique on its own.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

What's the main reason this thread is being rejected because I wanna look into it more

P.S(Kirby recently became my new favorite video game character so I'm pretty invested in his lore not that anyone cares lol)

 

[Eficiente]

>There are Void Terminas

D E D E D E L E T E.

Void Termina is the one, how can one show there are more than 1? No one can.

Shiro's translation says "There IS a being"

There also says nothing about existing in all dimensions. There is nothing wrong with referring in plural to some guy with a plural amount of bodies.

Even if he said It seems unespecefic, the Void is described as too godly to not be unique on its own.

I'm tired of you giving no evidence and saying vague stuff.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

No where is it sepecified or perceived that Void is the ancestor of all creation(what does that even mean?)

It says he's the "origin" meaning he was the foundation of creation and created the universe and why make a rule against it as there's potential to the thread I'm doing some more research and may make my own seperate thread

 

[Eficiente]

Why would anyone take that single-minded view of a word to make such a ridiculous upgrade?

 

[Kirby71]

1. Are you saying there are avatars of Void spread across the multiverse?

2. In the japanese languaje, "dark lord" is replaced by "god", Void is described as a god, and with shiro's translation, maybe the ancients used Void for creating their artifacts, thats why its not so vague,if you know how Void its actually described as, do you hate theorising? Its not bad to have assumptions, the one Who has burden of proof and has said vague stuff is you, assuming there are more Voids with a vague, description, (this doesnt count if your answer to 1 is yes and that is the "1 being, more avatars" case, but still you would be assuming there are avatars because yes), so yes the context aims more to "only 1 Void Termina" than "there are Void Terminas in those dimensions.

 

[Eficiente]

1. Y

2. "Maybe" means nothing in a thread to discuss facts. I don't hate theorising but stop putting obviously false stuff in this threads. The more logical assumptions are the important ones, those aren't yours.

Could you write here what ranks did you want as if they were in the profiles? That should make you communicate better.

 

[Kirby71]

2. Well, maybe doesnt count yeah, but i said "maybe" as awkward way of saying "99% sure" if It was more vague, i wouldnt say It, but that "It Will be the root of source of creation" sounds like a clear affirmation (still vague but i find It 99% acceptable, ill take It as "potential stuff") the description is a literature from the ancients that just outright state in a cool way "we Will use this for creation" and Void literally summon crowns and ultra swords.

Ranks? What?

 

[Eficiente]

2. You have a weird way to interpret things, stop taking one out of many ways to interpret something as the main way to do so. This is not "99% acceptable" at all.

AP and speed. P&A too if you want. Not only I but anyone will be able to tell you why you are wrong on something if you present your stuff organized.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

No your not understanding I'm gonna make my own thread and see what you think

I'll make it more Oragnized cause I still believe that this thread has potential

 

[Kirby71]

2. Yeah thats right, the text is still vague, shouldnt take my interpretation as if God said it.

AP: At least 4-A (this stuff is "potential" stuff, not 100% clear stuff, still not even enough to put "Possibly 2-?", It needs support that doesnt exist right now, but It would be worth putting the "At least")

Speed: MFTL+ (MFTL+, as we have it, no infinite or beyond speed feat, unless void existed truly before time, but not enough proof on that ,vague info man)

P and A: As we have It, i can see possible abstract existence, but still vague, not enough proof.

 

[Eficiente]

Ok, honestly I think his death explosion is 3-B so that can at least be discussed too.

@Kirby "as if they were in the profiles".

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Can I have a link to that thread cause I would be fine incorporating that into my thread too

 

[Kirby71]

I dont see this stuff getting any upgrade yet Oblivion, they are just potential upgrade stuff, potential, not 100% clear and real no fake. Better Wait until more info.

@Eficiente, soom ill make it.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I just made a new thread and my take on it check it out if you want

 

[Kirby71]

@Eficiente here i go, i throw everything even if i know It isnt possible right now.

Tier: At least 4-A, likely 3-B, possibly at least 2-C

Attack potency: Multi-Solar system level (should be notably superior to other villains like magolor) Likely Multi-galaxy level (his death explosion seemingly destroyed several galaxies in the place the battle took place) possibly at least Low multiversal (its said to be the origin and ancestor of all, this could imply that Void created every universe, its number its unknown)

Speed: MFTL+ (should be comparable to the jamba Hearts Who traveled at those speeds, able to keep Up with Kirby and company) Possibly Infinite (Void existed then before time).

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I personally agree with this

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

"There is a being called Nil, floating freely from several weird space-time continuum.
Seeing it's shine, the ancient people created and left a literature.

Dream, Heart, Dark, Soul...

Consuming chaos and possibilities alongside these, it will be the root of source of creation.

The being left in the literature is...

Is it the God of Destruction, is it a Star Allies, or is it..."

Source for this translation, btw?

 

[Bobsican]

Conceptual Manip? If so Kirby Vs. Reinhard can actually be made

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Is this going to scale to 2-B or what's the idea of the upgrade for this thread as I agree with the implications

 

[Eficiente]

possibly at least Low multiversal (its said to be the origin and ancestor of all, this could imply that Void created every universe, its number its unknown)

Speed: MFTL+ (should be comparable to the jamba Hearts Who traveled at those speeds, able to keep Up with Kirby and company) Possibly Infinite (Void existed then before time).

• He wouldn't deserve an "at least" at all.
• The assumption is still ridiculous.
• He was never said to have existed before time.

It is very clear that you guys don't care about making accurate profiles, there is a lot of wank here.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Eficiente your kinda contradicting your self by assuming about us wanting to make accurate profiles can you attempt to disprove the statements instead of just saying they're ridiculous

 

[Eficiente]

What's the contradiction on that sentence? I already did it in this thread and the one you made which is just the same. There is no evidence for anything being 2-B.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I wouldn't say no evidence but you made some valid points on lacking information tho I just want to wait for more info on Void so I think we should wait

 

[Kirby71]

possibly at least Low multiversal (its said to be the origin and ancestor of all, this could imply that Void created every universe, its number its unknown)

Speed: MFTL+ (should be comparable to the jamba Hearts Who traveled at those speeds, able to keep Up with Kirby and company) Possibly Infinite (Void existed then before time).

• He wouldn't deserve an "at least" at all.
• The assumption is still ridiculous.
• He was never said to have existed before time.

It is very clear that you guys don't care about making accurate profiles, there is a lot of wank here.

I care about an accurate profile, i told you, this isnt serious, its just a profile template so we can have better comunication, as you told me, i Also said i throw everything even if i know It isnt possible right now. I knew this is BS, but we did this because of that, so you can debunk everything wrong and to understand ourselves better, to have a better perspective.

>There is a lot of wank here

Of course, read above, its made on purpose so you can tell everything wrong with It, now everyone Who comes here Will understand what is going on.

 

[Eficiente]

The idea was also for you to link the evidence of your claims so anyone could get why you are wrong, I said it before but you just ignore it, I expected made up stuff like Infinite speed.

It doesn't matter at all if you think that this could be a "Possibly" or "just needs more evidence", everything you have objectively doesn't make any upgrade. Don not just believe that it does based on nothing.

 

[Kirby71]

Im not wrong, i didnt even try to upgrade Void, i was in fact, disagreeing with oblivion, i cant be wrong if im not upgrading anything, if im wrong on disagreeing, then upgrade Void OvO.

 

[Eficiente]

This CRT is pointless, what does it try to accomplish?

 

[Kirby71]

This CRT is pointless, what does it try to accomplish?

Good question, i dont know, maybe It should be just general discussion instead of content revision, what about to Talk about this without the "VS debates" part? Like discussing lore, seems entertaining, It has lost its "VS debates" sense. It isnt content revision anymore, It was, now It isnt, i just wanted an opinion about this, a little discussion and a funny talk, its my fault, this thread got replenished of pointless assumptions, i should have noticed before, i saw my thread again, its not good.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Kirby71 I wouldn't say it's not good sure we got sidetracked and some genral assumptions were made but the quote has potential we just have to wait for more lore on Void and hopefully a full set in stone feat or statement

 

[Kirby71]

Of course, i just sugest on waiting for more Lore, Also now se can Talk friendly about Void, no vs debates revisions, but from the Kirby Lore perspective OvO