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It looks to me like Gilgamesh has gained more abilities and Ainz's character has been revised
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^ bumping this requestTISSG7Redgrave said:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2049439 this is still being argued on
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2149015 this idk i'm just gonna ask because from what i see this seems like it should be removed as wolfgang can't do anything too?
^ bumping this requestKLOL506 said:Ezio vs Harry Potter needs to be removed. Ezio's since been upgraded and his resistances effectively block out any chance of Harry having a winning condition.
Altair vs Nagisa Shiota also needs to be removed.
Except that most people discussed that most people discussed that in the thread and came to the conclusion that the drain wasn't mentioned in a longue time and a lot of vote mentioned 'Vegeta's AP advantage'4TheC2 said:Except that isn't even what a lot of the arguments said.
The biggest thing and point of contention was the higher drain of stamina that Goku will experience trying to match Vegeta's preformance level. Most of those arguments are even assuming that Goku and Vegeta are utterly equal in power and skill
In addition, Vegeta having somewhat higher AP is a valid reasoning. Vegeta and Goku were even when they were fighting Jiren together. Vegeta powered up further during his fight with Toppo through his anger and resolve, something we state on Vegeta's profile in his AP justifiaction. Saying Vegeta has a bit of a slight AP advantage, isn't out of the ballpark. One twitter post doesn't negate the evidence we saw from Vegeta fighting Toppo and how it went down.
and it doesn't contradict what happened in the serie, it contradict your assumption about a vague form's power and not being absolute doesn't mean it's worthless.TheC2 said:Except Word of God is not absolute and is disregarded if it contradicts what we see occur in the series.
Also, it's also stretching it to say Ishitani's statement counts as Word of God, considering that she worked on the storyboard of and directed one episode for all of Dragon Ball Super, the very last one. She's not the overall creator of the series nor even it's main writer.
In addition, it's not an assumption when we have this on Vegeta's page for his SSBE key: "According to Whis, he and Goku were even able to stifle Jiren, and Jiren himself mentioned that both of their respective attacks had become "sharper". After powering up further, he was able to overwhelm God of Destruction Candidate Toppo..."
Going further, you say the vote for stamina were discounted but the same person who said that also said the AP votes were legitimate.
It is an assumption, nothing is said about them being equal then so you just assume they are actualy equal and then assume Goku didn't get his own power up.TheC2 said:There is no assumption. We literally say that SSBE and SSBKKx20 start out equal but that Vegeta powers up further during his fight with Toppo. That is something that we watch happened, acknowledge and reflect on his profile.
DBS not having a main writer does not change the fact that Ishitani worked on one episode out of the entire series. She didn't work on any of the episodes that inolved Goku/Vegeta vs Jiren or Vegeta vs Toppo. All she can speak for is her own work, which is the very last episode of DBS.
If you believe that Ishitani's statement is so credible, make a CRT for it because that information doesn't match up with what we have on the profile. Literally saying that two characters start out even and then one them powers up further, is pretty straight forward.
EDIT: I'm going to bed and will not be responding further to prevent from derailing the thread.
She can though, I explained how in the thread.WeeklyBattles said:Chaos also cant get past her regen
^I am so bloody sorry but this wasn't settled at all and i still felt about the removal (mostly for the first link)TISSG7Redgrave said:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2049439 this is still being argued on
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2149015 this idk i'm just gonna ask because from what i see this seems like it should be removed as wolfgang can't do anything too?