Verse AP & Speed Upgrade and Jim Lake Jr Page Revision

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It is stated that he didn't reach the full power of Gaylen's core and still had several hours. I doubt that the whole verse should scale to universal, yet planetary since Morando at time is considered a god and with the only thing being able to defeat is Seklos' canon

I Forget that detail, it seems to make more sense, I guess we could put an "At least X level up to 4-A/3-A with all Gaylen's core power"?. The feats seem to be clear, but it's hard to pinpoint an exact level, considering we don't know what exact difference there was between that Morando and Gaylen, plus we still don't know exactly if Gaylen's core would need a weapon or something external to be able to "destroy a universe" (although, everything indicates not), or if it would just scale to his A.P. (Not even the time it would take, although, is what worries me least)

Also, I'm still concerned about the fact that Morando, even though he was inferior to Gaylen, was able to "counteract" Gaylen's cannon in a certain way, despite having perished at the power of the latter, just like Gaylen, which could give me a certain intuition that both characters were not that far apart in terms of power. I still don't know if this can serve to justify a "likely far higher" or similar. Since, correct me if I'm wrong, the Seklos cannon could only be "powered" by two royal cores, which could indicate that the Seklos core was equivalent to two royal cores, which would generate enough power to kill a cosmic being, such as Gaylen, the fact that Morando was able to face this same power is what worries me, it is obvious that Gaylen and Morando are not "comparable" as such, but their difference in power may not be so abysmal.

If they had Universal power even before the seals of the genesis, then why would they need it in the first place if they can already eliminate all life on earth?

Presumably, the Genesis seals were created after the creation of the universe, it is not known exactly what relationship it had with the arcane order, but the myths on which it is based could be used as a basis. The "universal" feat seems to be related to or have the need for the presence of the titans, which the seals of Genesis prevented. It could be said that the arcane order was very "weakened" after the creation of the Genesis seals, so it was necessary to break the seals of Genesis, even to 'just' destroy the earth.

It's unknown if things are magically destined around the "primordial Heartstones", but we do know that the Arcane Order can channel their, as Blinky puts it, "primordial energies" to cleanse the world and start anew. It's likely their intention was just to "purify" it.
Though I admit, this argument doesn't seem very solid, it's not something I like to use.

The calc used assumed that the spell moved the moon in order to create the "solar eclipse". However that also wrong considering that we clearly see the sun as it is without the moon in front of it while Toby was fighting the Stalking. It was only the clouds that was making that affect

I remember the scene, the lunar eclipse seems to be strange, although it occurs during Jim's preparation, this moon seems to move even in the battle against Gunmar, something that must have been a long time after Jim's preparation, it seems to be more of an inconsistency, since the same book mentions that it must have been a total solar eclipse, and Krel claims that it was a lunar anomaly. I think that despite that scene, there is a lot of evidence that shows that it was a lunar eclipse.

PDT: I forgot to mention that in the books, a vision is shown that would presumably be the "completed" eternal night, where this same lunar eclipse is shown.

Im fine with this but it would only be as "Environmental Destruction" and she did this with a dead Heartstone, so its unlikely Gunmar would scale above Bellroc at that point as it inconsistent with the fact that Gunmar had trouble against Half-Troll Jim and was killed by him while Bellroc managed to solo every member of the guardiens of Arcadia. Even when Jim had Excalibur and his new armor, Toby had to strip her magical powers from her towards the end of the fight

The first one seems fine to me, I feel that it is a good way to "include" it, it seemed strange to me that it scale to the majority of the verse. Although I don't know how the fact that Morgana had "absorbed" Merlin's power influences it, or if that would scale.

About the second point, it's obvious that Gunmar shouldn't scale above Bellroc, it would be too inconsistent, I mentioned that that feat could be fragmented in two parts (although it's difficult to do so, since we don't know how the Heart Stone influenced that hypothetical feat), because Gunmar had absorbed that Heart Stone previously, supposedly the Heart Stone was supposed to be "dead", but in the movie it seems to be "regenerated", presumably due to the presence of the Titans. Although thinking about it, it's difficult to know how we could scale this to Gunmar, preferably we could ignore it.

The ships definitely seems fast but they never crossed the distance like mentioned in the calc, only went through Kleb's wormhole device
The other calc assumed that Tronos electricity is as fast the laset canon but its not, he only powered up a device that in returned emited its own beam attack. Its should also be mentionned tronos shoots electricity, while the canon shoots a laser beam

The first one seems to be fine.
As for the second one, I don't know exactly if it could be that, the rays seem to come out of Tronos, and in the same scene you can see that his eyes are the first to launch bursts of lightning. Although I don't rule out the possibility that it was the same laser, I still don't rule out the possibility that it's Tronos' electricity. Even the voltage launched from his mouth seems to be faster.

Personally, the planetary/universal scaling seems to be inconsistent and having characters scale to a literal god (who still didn't reach his full power) is a wank
Though I think FTL is possible for the verse since they can react to Neurometer Blasts and also dodge lighting with ease

About the Multi-Solar System/Universal scaling, it's very confusing since I heard about it, after reading your arguments, I find it more confusing to include them (Preferably they should only be included in Gaylen and possibly Morando's profile), as remarkable as they are. Planetary feats don't seem that far-fetched to me (They wouldn't be scale to a literal god, they would just likely be scaling to the power of Morgana and Merlin.), although Gaylen's scaling and other things seem to be quite strange. FTL speeds I agree could be possible. Although about this, I don't know what to think.

PDT: I remember reading someone mention that the "pixies" used by Angor Rot, had "light" in their name (in troll language), but because of the vague way 'he' told it to me, Idk if it's true, do you know anything about that?