Velvet Crowe vs Sub-Zero

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

The teleport range isn't listed, just his normal range, so I'll assume the teleport is the same.

Regen takes a couple seconds at most from what we see.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

He's capable of catching up (with teleportation) to a fast moving CH-47 in MKX's first chapter which can move up to 87.5 m/s plus he extinguished a forest fire here

And you have forcefields.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Are the forcefields more durable than he himself is? She'll still be getting stronger even if she hits his forcefields. Also, since it seems his ice isn't all AZ, the Heat Manipulation will indeed counter that as well.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

The forcefields will freeze her, plus I established that Sub-Zero's ice, even without AZ will still kill her or at least incapacitate her by freezing the water content of her body and turning her into ice

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Which she will then Regen from. Also, what is Sub Zero's AP anyways?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

How is she going to regen when she's constantly being frozen from a distance or at close range? She'll run out of stamina compared to Sub-Zero's greater stamina. Plus Sub-Zero is 12 megatons

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

That's below Velvet, also her stamina was never updated, it should be very high, daemons in general can fight for days on end. Is it in character for Sub Zero to run away and spam projectiles, because unless he keeps running away constantly, she'll get him in melee range long enough to take him out.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Sub-Zero does not run away, he just spams projectiles from that range. Getting in melee just forces him to freeze you with a touch or with his defensive ice constructs.

Velvet seems to scale to someone with the power to set off a volcano so she's weaker than Sub-Zero. Which means he's capable of bypassing her regen by means of freeze shattering.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Velvet scales to someone with the power to set off the largest volcano on the planet, 7-B being a huge lowball for that, 24 megatons was considered an acceptable lowball by most.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Was that accepted?

 

[Theglassman12]

Considering she's scaled from an actual volcanic eruption, yes. Also where can he AZ?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

It was deemed acceptable, yes, by staff as well. Honestly, there is a prospective upgrade to 7-A or High 7-A for them, however, I am hesitant to do so, as that would ruin the results of the 7-B tournament.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Where does it say this?

Plus setting off a volcano doesn't scale to the energy the volcano releases.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

We know that, it was just deemed acceptable because the volcano is certainly vastly above 7 megatons due to being the largest on the planet.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

It's just vastly above 7 megatons, so it would be greater than it by an unknown scale

Yet again, setting off a volcano does not mean that you scale to the amount of energy a volcano releases during an eruption.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

24 Megatons was just accepted to be used because that's what I initially thought it was and everyone agreed it was a fair lowball. I am fully aware of that fact and that is not relevant in the slightest.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Can I see where it was accepted?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Here, though it was somewhat of an arbitrary choice (24 Megatons was), people seemed to stick with it because it's still a lowball, if you feel that is more correct, we can consider it to be vastly above 7 Megatons, which still gives Velvet the AP advantage and doesn't really change anything.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

It doesn't make sense, I'm going to repeat myself on this one. Scaling to the energy a volcano releases is not suitable for scaling to the energy required to make a volcano. If 7 megatons is a massive lowball, then go calc the actual feat.

She's vastly above 7 megatons without an actual number or multiplier, so Sub-Zero is still having the AP advantage if that counts, he took multiple lethal attacks from 7-Bs on his level and still survived anyway.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

There is a volcano feat that actually happens we could scale from (That I found somewhat recently), if that got calced, however, that would likely invalidate this match as the result would likely be higher than 7-B.

Vastly above 7 megatons should have an advantage over 12 megatons regardless though, not to mention the whole amping thing.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Vastly above 7 megatons with no exact number, with no exact amount on how much it amplifies. Plus Sub-Zero has his own amp too

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

The Amp is at least 50%, same with the Reduction, Speed Reduction is higher than her other reductions.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Sub-Zero's amp is approximately x2 given that a 6 hit combo is normally 23% damage but when amped does 41% damage

 

[Theglassman12]

Anyone mind answering my question on Sub Zero's AZ?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Add in a 50% reduction on top of that and Sub-Zero's amp flies out of the window.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

It's from a statement in an official manual for MKM:SZ

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Once I finish up the Zestiria profiles, I'll get that feat calced, maybe this match should be put on hold until that gets sorted?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Eh why not

 

[Theglassman12]

That game is still canon??

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Yeah, Raiden referenced it in MK9 when he said that Bi-Han fought against Shinnok and Quan Chi and the Netherrealm forces which happened in MKM:SZ

 

[Theglassman12]

But they don't reference Shaolin Monks in the actual game. Why must you do this to me Ed Boo

 

[Schnee_One]

<Mid regen saving you from AZ

******* what?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

If it doesn't freeze the whole body then it works

Otherwise no

 

[Theglassman12]

@Divine AZ can freeze your atoms. So you need High Regenerationn to regenerate from AZ.

 

[Schnee_One]

High regen doesn't save you from AZ either as your atoms are frozen

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

If it freezes a part of the body and not all of it, I imagine it can save you.

 

[Theglassman12]

Sub Zero's ice has shown to freeze the entire body. It's like one of his main schtick throughout the entire series

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

That would depend on where it hits, no? Also, we never got a clear answer on if all of his ice was AZ or if that was just the peak of what he could do, from the profile, I assume the latter.

 

[Schnee_One]

If it freezes a part of the body and not all of it, I imagine it can save you.

If your molecules are frozen, they're not regenerating.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

You remove the part that gets frozen, then regen it back.