Veldora Tempest vs DMC3 Vergil

[Naito-desu]

• Both are High 4-C and use their first keys
• Both have their standard equipment; Vergil has his equipment from Devil May Cry 3
• Speeds are equalized

Veldora:
Vergil:

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So what does Veldora do??

 

[Mister6ame6]

That EE via aura is the only wincon here from what i can see, so what Veldora start with against his opponents?.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I guess info analysis

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

That EE via aura is the only wincon here from what i can see, so what Veldora start with against his opponents?.

Can it destroy soul though??

 

[Mister6ame6]

Can it destroy soul though??

They only mention this:

Existence Erasure (Can erase the existence of his opponents with his aura)

So, idk honestly, gonna wait for Slime supportes to come here and tell us if Veldora's aura can or not destroy souls.

 

[Mister6ame6]

I guess info analysis

Well, if that aura works on souls than that could be useful, otherwise i don't see what would help him here.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Thats vague.....also there is only one scan on the 1st key....none of the abilities have citations.

 

[Metalballrun]

The wrong Tensei Shitara is linked.
I haven't read the WN but typically, existence erasure abilities in Slime affect souls. Gonna have to call WN readers for confirmation though.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

EE aura is not a problem, Vergil can stay out of range and spam JC space-time cuts + 4D soul hax or just fear hax him to paralysis.

 

[Naito-desu]

Would Rimuru be better, also fixed the tags

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Maybe.....give it a try.
Or maybe a Dante vs Rimuru if even that doesn't work out.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well, about the Soul stuff, affecting Souls in TenSura is hard as affecting AE type 1, as their souls are a lump of information

''Various kind of information is received from the summoner’s side.
According to the contents of the request, it seemed that I could obtain a lump of information called “Soul”.*We could evolve into higher beings if we collected a lot of “Souls”."''

And still, Veldora Soul is inside of Rimuru body, which would be pretty hard to affect

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Well low godly neg is still an option

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well low godly neg is still an option

It wont affect Veldora real form (aka Soul), as he is sending just clones to fight while his Soul is inside of Rimuru stomach

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But Vergil still wins this battle no....
Since the body cannot regen anymore.

Basically incapping Veldora

 

[Naito-desu]

I mean Rimuru's not here so that would technically be a win by incap no? SBA victory conditions include putting a hero in a position where they can't fight any longer

 

[Bernkastelll]

But Vergil still wins this battle no....
Since the body cannot regen anymore.

but the body are just clones that veldora is sending to fight

his regen shouldnt be low-godly, as Soul in tensura are basicaly in the same level is concept, which is what could grant Rimuru High-Godly due being able to regen from Soul Erasure

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But there will be no new clones if Soul cannot regen new bodies.....

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean Rimuru's not here so that would technically be a win by incap no? SBA victory conditions include putting a hero in a position where they can't fight any longer

Not really, as it is just Veldora sending clones that are powerful enough to fight while he remains with the real body not being affected

 

[Naito-desu]

Can we just not bring up things that aren't in the profile geez, if that change ever comes through, cool but ffs

 

[Naito-desu]

Not really, as it is just Veldora sending clones that are powerful enough to fight while he remains with the real body not being affected

I mean Rimuru's not here, like, at all, how does that work now?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Can we just not bring up things that aren't in the profile geez, if that change ever comes through, cool but ffs

But it is in the profile, everything that I said is, just the regen that its outdated somehow despite all others characters having it updated, but yeah

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean Rimuru's not here, like, at all, how does that work now?

• Parallel Existence: Leaving nucleic core within Rimuru's body, Veldora can create countless clones, in other words it doesn't matter what happens to those clones as his core (soul) is within Rimuru no harm can be done to him. In addition reaching his core in Rimuru requires attacks that exceed time and space.''

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But it is in the profile, everything that I said is, just the regen that its outdated somehow despite all others characters having it updated, but yeah

Are perchance confusing this for Light novel Veldora??
Since his Web Novel version has zero citations for his haxxes.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Are perchance confusing this for Light novel Veldora??

No, I am talking about Web Novel one, as Light Novel doesnt have a profile and cannot be mixed in WN matches

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Parallel Existence: Leaving nucleic core within Rimuru's body, Veldora can create countless clones, in other words it doesn't matter what happens to those clones as his core (soul) is within Rimuru no harm can be done to him. In addition reaching his core in Rimuru requires attacks that exceed time and space.''

Vergil can cut time-space though

 

[Bernkastelll]

Vergil can cut time-space though

Yeah, but Rimuru body is not even in the play, so basically, its just Veldora sending his clones from nowhere, and thats the requisits of affecting Rimuru body, but still is complicated due the fact that Rimuru resist attacks that cut time-space

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Also wouldn't the clones come from Rimuru...who isn't here anyways??

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also wouldn't the clones come from Rimuru...who isn't here anyways??

Yes, its the same problems in matches of characters that are Avatars and their real body is some kind of 1-A thing like Pennywise matches

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

but still is complicated due the fact that Rimuru resist attacks that cut time-space

Vergil already bypass resistance

 

[Bernkastelll]

Vergil already bypass resistance

Rimuru has a multi-layered resistance to all his powers and resistances

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yes, its the same problems in matches of characters that are Avatars and their real body is some kind of 1-A thing like Pennywise matches

I mean, wouldn't Clones need to travel physically from Rimuru to Vergil.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean, wouldn't Clones need to travel physically from Rimuru to Vergil.

I am not sure, thats the problem of these kind of matches, Veldora isnt a good character to use due things like this, others characters could be a good option

 

[Bernkastelll]

Also, sorry for not being able to help that much in this match, I am more like a Scaler than Debater

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Well Okay I guess....not a viable match in conclusion.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Also I got to sleep now. Its 00:00.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Gn

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Veldora stomps.

Vergil gets instantly analyzed on a planetary level, and every single one of his abilities, resistances, are instantly known to Veldora, including his threat, Yamato. This is of course, assuming he even gets to use such an ability if Vergil can even get past passive EE (which works on souls, and minds since they’re equal, and their skills, which are AE Type 1), Mind, Soul, Madness, Fear, Corruption, and Radiation Hax on a scale of 750,000 people.

If he can deal with this, unfortunately for him it still isn’t enough. Any attack he gets off is plausible to be reduced to 50%, with his Probability Manipulation which is > Shion’s Causality Manipulation > Dagruel’s Ultimate Existence, which renders him immune to all Magic and is Acausal on a 2-C scale, coupled with another resistance to Causality Manipulation from Shion’s Chaotic Fate. From there, Veldora can easily boost his reaction speed by 1 million times, manipulate his existence to dodge the attack with his clones (that are all as strong as him), or simply negate with his layered of space manipulation resistance + Multi-Dimensional Barrier.

Vergil also has to deal with Sundering Power, which can negate Dagruel’s borderline Invulnerability, and since Dagruel’s is basically a soul, Low-Godly gets negged pretty easily. Even if he could deal with it, Vergil would have no resistance against Fertile Paradox, which turns his own life essence into life for the earth and negates Dagruel’s Low-Godly.

This of course not even mentioning Vergil has no way of even putting down Veldora, as long as Rimuru exists, who’s in the Imaginary Space, more Veldora’s will return - infinitely and endlessly. Vergil is outmatched, outhaxxed, outsmarted, and doesn’t have the bulk to deal with Veldora’s defenses.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Uh, i should learn how to debate better, perhaps i will stay just as a scaler.