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Thanks.
I can definitely support it more now.
I can definitely support it more now.
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Vegeta's resistant to absolute zero
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The FTL thing is irrelevant. The AZ from Hyssop was stated to freeze to the bone. With frozen objects, depending on the lack of heat energy and density involved, you can shatter a frozen object. AZ is the coldest level of cold. Vegeta shattered the absolute zero surrounding his arm, yet while Hyssop's attack was stated to freeze to the bone, Vegeta's arm did not shatter.
Seems like a textbook case of why it isn't AZ to me.
Seems like a textbook case of why it isn't AZ to me.
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Or a textbook case of Vegeta actually resisting it, that's the whole point, he resisted it...and it's not like Vegeta can't shatter something surrounding his arm without shattering his arm.Unite My Rice said:
And FTL thing is relevant because I can apply the same real life logic to beings going FTL, but that'll be double standards.
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If only we saw something other than Vegeta get hit by it. If they shrugged it off as just very cold ice we can basically write it off. As of now though idk what to think. Absolute Zero is just such a powerful ability to have and resistance to it means a lot. Being able to not let your molecules become motionless even when exposed to AZ temps would be pretty insane anti-hax, even for DB.
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That's illogical, how can something freeze to your bone and also create a layer of ice over your arm, yet only one of the two break, and the technique was shown to break completely? How do you explain his arm not shattering then?
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It's illogical but this is fiction. I think I will remain neutral on this as of now.
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Isn't that good though? The fact it didn't do what it was supposed to to Vegeta.
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Mostly talking to rice, about how it was said to freeze to the bone yet it clearly didn't, if it froze to vegeta's bone it wouldn't be much of a feat.
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There can be 2 possibilities:
1. Vegeta's arm did not get completely frozen even by AZ temperature. That's the whole point. Of him being able to resist it.
2. Even if we assume Vegeta's arm getting completely frozen, that would mean Vegeta survived it without any notable side-effects. And about breaking the ice, he did it without breaking his arm or clothes, presumably with a surge of ki, which shattered the ice thus cancelling any effect of the attack.(We know they can transfer ki to a specific part of their body to strengthen it or to attack)
But since it had no notable side-effects on Vegeta, Occam's razor suggests that he actually resisted his arm getting completely frozen even by AZ temperature.
1. Vegeta's arm did not get completely frozen even by AZ temperature. That's the whole point. Of him being able to resist it.
2. Even if we assume Vegeta's arm getting completely frozen, that would mean Vegeta survived it without any notable side-effects. And about breaking the ice, he did it without breaking his arm or clothes, presumably with a surge of ki, which shattered the ice thus cancelling any effect of the attack.(We know they can transfer ki to a specific part of their body to strengthen it or to attack)
But since it had no notable side-effects on Vegeta, Occam's razor suggests that he actually resisted his arm getting completely frozen even by AZ temperature.
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Occam's razor wouldn't suggest the way an ability is described to work should be different compared to how the ability is perceived to work.
Going by Occam's razor, we would go with point 1, sort of.
"is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks."
On the other side, AZ negates durability, so if his arm was indeed frozen, then it would shatter. If his arm didn't get completely frozen, then it's not AZ, and is just a surface level ice attack, unless Vegeta's clothes have AZ resistance (that was a joke). It's more likely that it's not AZ, rather than Vegeta having some untold explanation as to why the attack didn't reach his bones, despite that being how the attack work.
Absolute Zero Feats in Fictio
Going by Occam's razor, we would go with point 1, sort of.
"is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks."
On the other side, AZ negates durability, so if his arm was indeed frozen, then it would shatter. If his arm didn't get completely frozen, then it's not AZ, and is just a surface level ice attack, unless Vegeta's clothes have AZ resistance (that was a joke). It's more likely that it's not AZ, rather than Vegeta having some untold explanation as to why the attack didn't reach his bones, despite that being how the attack work.
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If this was oficially confirmed and stated by a god of destruction, then it doesnt really matter what people say against it, its useless.
If the writers say he can resists AZ temperatures, he can.
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If the writers say he can resists AZ temperatures, he can.
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