Vegeta vs The Scarlet Witch

[The_Legendary_Vin]

It's a joke

We're in a debate, joking is forbidden, the rule is there

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Don't forget that literally everyone in Dragon Ball can fire Kiais by staring at people.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Don't forget that literally everyone in Dragon Ball can fire Kiais by staring at people.

that's rarely opened with, VERY rarely, and even more rarely damaging when opening

 

[Shadyboi0]

Vegetable FRA

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I truly hate just putting fra, at least restate the reasons you are voting

 

[Vietthai96]

Speed Equalization means that he can't blitz the distance to close the range faster than she can use her attacks, which operate off attack speed, her attacks are pretty much instant from what I recall, so she'll be able to try like one or two things before he closes the range

Did i ever said about speee blitz???. Standard Battle Assumption mean character willong to go serious to win, when did it translate into speed blitzing???

 

[StekFence]

Tk works out due to Wanda's superior LS

This makes me sad ngl

 

[StekFence]

Ok so since Wanda leads with Mind resist, and Vegeta leads with... Hitting her, he kinda just wins right away. If he’s fighting an opponent in Ultra ego, he’s looking for a person to challenge him and make him stronger. If he jsut sense some fodder, he’d jsut be dissapointed and knock her out nigh instantly.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Did i ever said about speee blitz???. Standard Battle Assumption mean character willong to go serious to win, when did it translate into speed blitzing???

I wasn't using speed blitz as a term, I meant it as movement

 

[Propellus]

So what's stopping Vegeta from just simply one shotting her with a single ki blast?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm pretty sure Wanda doesn't even need mind control to kill him. Didn't she exploded someone's brain in the movie? Even when Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind manip, that still isn't going to save him from her blowing his brain, especially if she have knowledge on him and know he resists her mind control

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I'm pretty sure Wanda doesn't even need mind control to kill him. Didn't she exploded someone's brain in the movie? Even when Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind manip, that still isn't going to save him from her blowing his brain, especially if she have knowledge on him and know he resists her mind control

She only knows about his AP

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

She only knows about his AP

Still, nothing prevents her from making his brain explode like she did to the heroes in the other universe, and she started with it against one of them

 

[AStrangeverse]

I'm pretty sure Wanda doesn't even need mind control to kill him. Didn't she exploded someone's brain in the movie? Even when Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind manip, that still isn't going to save him from her blowing his brain, especially if she have knowledge on him and know he resists her mind control

She didn't cause anyone's brain to combust. Black Bolt did that to himself, out of sheer panic, after realizing his mouth was removed.

 

[Spinoirr]

She didn't cause anyone's brain to combust. Black Bolt did that to himself, out of sheer panic, after realizing his mouth was removed.

Yeah. He used his own power of super powerful voice against himself as the sound he makes with his powers bounded off the covered up mouth he has and into the back of his head

 

[Spinoirr]

So what's stopping Vegeta from just simply one shotting her with a single ki blast?

Staring distance + teleporting + speed is equal + she knows to avoid Vegeta's universe shattering power

 

[WarriorofMite]

Since speed is equal, she's bloodlusted, and has prior knowledge, she's going for the kill right out the gates. Vegeta is likely to try to punch her in the face. Before his fist even reaches her Wanda's turning him into confetti like Reed Richards. I'm going to vote Wanda here.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah. Even without knowledge Wanda will still go for the kill as she doesn't know Vegeta and him fighting her means he gets in her way

Considering she has both Deconstruction and EE, she'd probably use these on Vegeta, although he does resist the latter

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I'm pretty sure Wanda doesn't even need mind control to kill him. Didn't she exploded someone's brain in the movie? Even when Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind manip, that still isn't going to save him from her blowing his brain, especially if she have knowledge on him and know he resists her mind control

She didn’t blow his brains. Black bolt made a noise and because of his lack of mouth the blast reflected to his head, killing him.

edit: didn’t see that this was already answered. Hate reading on mobile.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Hate reading on mobile.

Don't be mobile then /j

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Yeah. Even without knowledge Wanda will still go for the kill as she doesn't know Vegeta and him fighting her means he gets in her way

Considering she has both Deconstruction and EE, she'd probably use these on Vegeta, although he does resist the latter

he should resist deconstruction tbh, I think it's an oversight

 

[Nullflowerblush]

he should resist deconstruction tbh, I think it's an oversight

on what grounds exactly

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

on what grounds exactly

resistance to Hakai, iirc

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

resistance to Hakai, iirc

Hakai is EE, not deconstruction, besides, she has more haxes going for her that she will use to kill him since again, the mere fact he's fighting her means he gets in her way to her goals, and she'll not hesitate to kill anyone who opposes her as we see in the movie

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can't Vegeta just use afterimage and just knock her out or something? Also how does her deconstruction works like is it long range?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Can't Vegeta just use afterimage and just knock her out or something? Also how does her deconstruction works like is it long range?

Afterimage is speed based

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And why would Vegeta think to use afterimages on her? It's not even really in character for him

 

[AStrangeverse]

What's their starting distance? Cuz if it's just up close, and some of you said she starts with Mind Manip first which Vegeta resists..

Doesn't Vegeta just knock her out, if not outright atomize her with a touch?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

and mind manip resistance (Wanda is near baseline and it took some time for her to find an opening for mind manip when wong told peeps to fortify their minds, so Vegeta's willpower should keep him safe no problem.)

Why would Wanda be near baseline? Even as early as AoU she controlled several dozens of Sokovians and as of Wandavision she held all of Westview without even being aware of what she was even doing. If anything, the scene in MoM shows that she's able to negate resistance to Mind Manipulation to an extent.

Ok so Wanda is going to use reality warping because someone is muscular? Why didn't Wanda make Strange's hands disappear because she knows that thats how he cast spells?

Wanda resorts to her abilities when she knows there’s no other way through. She has no reason to make Strange's "hands disappear" because she’s being reasonable Strange doesn’t stands a chance against her anyways. In this match she knows AP isn’t what she should rely on.

 

[StekFence]

Even as early as AoU she controlled several dozens of Sokovians and as of Wandavision she held all of Westview without even being aware of what she was even doing.

I’ve heard numbers usually don’t increase potency here recently

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I’ve heard numbers usually don’t increase potency here recently

AFAIK, Numbers aren’t just the sole factor.

 

[StekFence]

Hmm, so they are A factor. Interetsing

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Quantity No longer counts for potency, only range. Potency is measured by overcoming resistance and or dimensional layers

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Her range with her haxes is 2-A though

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Her potency isn’t 2-A though, her range is.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Her potency isn’t 2-A though, her range is.

Uh, I'm pretty sure that they said that with the Darkhold's magic she can affect and rule the entire multiverse

 

[Propellus]

Uh, I'm pretty sure that they said that with the Darkhold's magic she can affect and rule the entire multiverse

Reading off the note from her page:

Note: Wanda cannot be scaled to High 3-A since she used a hax rather than her own raw magic power to destroy every Darkhold in the Multiverse.

 

[Veronica]

Vegeta mere presence one shots 99% of the MCU-universe.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Reading off the note from her page:

Yes, but that proves she has much more range and capacity with her magic than what Vegeta was shown to resist. Hell, he wasn't able to resist Moro's magic despite resisting Babidi's mind control (which only really worked because he had evil in him)

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Quantity No longer counts for potency, only range. Potency is measured by overcoming resistance and or dimensional layers

Thread?

Because as far as the Mind Manipulation page and the Hax page:

Note 2: When judging the potency of hax-based abilities such as Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation, and the resistance against them, there is a variety of factors to be potentially considered. Such as the mechanisms involved, how many people the power can affect, whether it has demonstrated to break through resistances, how great the effects are, etc.

These factors need to be examined with the mechanism in mind, to determine if they actually demonstrate potency. For example, for a mind-controlling gas simply affecting more people with it, by using lots of the gas, would not indicate an increase in potency of the gas as simply more of it was used. The effect couldn't be accumulated to be as strong on a single target as it is on all affected individuals summed up.

Whether a power can overcome a resistance against it based on certain feats has to be determined by comparing the various factors at play. For example, a resistance can be overcome by Mind Manipulation with higher potency in any factor, if the resistance is equal, less or unknown in all other factors. When it comes to resistance that is above the Mind Manipulation in some factors, while the Mind Manipulation that is superior in other factors, one has to see on a case-by-case basis whether a convincing argument can be put forth. Otherwise, such a situation will have an inconclusive result.

How the mechanism of the power (Such as the before-mentioned Mind Manipulation) interacts with the mechanism of the resistance is, of course, also relevant.