Vegeta vs Kratos

[Ionliosite]

Wait, Powe of Hope is being used? Then Kratos stomps, Vegeta can't do anything to him that will actually put him down.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Wait, Powe of Hope is being used? Then Kratos stomps, Vegeta can't do anything to him that will actually put him down.

Should I make it pre-POH Kratos so it's not a stomp?

 

[Ionliosite]

Yes, you should.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Alright, then it's done, Vegeta vs pre-POH Kratos (key for like 90% of his versions is the same, so I don't need to edit the OP)

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Hm? Did we change something about the keys? Kratos has been crawling back from being killed since before awakening power of hope.

Maybe some revision happened and I missed it.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Vegeta FRA

 

[BakiHanma18]

Hm? Did we change something about the keys? Kratos has been crawling back from being killed since before awakening power of hope.

Maybe some revision happened and I missed it.

I mean, he's got healing and Regenerationn on his pre-POH pages, but as of rn, his page only says resurrection under POH

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I'm aware, but he gets sent to Hades and crawls right back out before he awakens hope fully in the final battle of GoW 3, so I am confused.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I'm aware, but he gets sent to Hades and crawls right back out before he awakens hope fully in the final battle of GoW 3, so I am confused.

Oh? I was unaware of this. I've never played GOW, but if he can resurrect before POH, Kratos might still have a leg in this race

 

[BakiHanma18]

Bumped

 

[Ionliosite]

If he has ressurrection befor PoH, make a CRT to change it. For the moment, Vegeta wins.

 

[BakiHanma18]

If he has ressurrection befor PoH, make a CRT to change it. For the moment, Vegeta wins.

Actually, for the moment, nobody has won. It's 3-0

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It was already like that since before, so I am confused why it was changed.

 

[BakiHanma18]

It was already like that since before, so I am confused why it was changed.

Maybe it was disputed and changed in a CRT?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I don't remember one like that happening and Kratos does indeed crawl out of Hades before GoW 3's final battle. I'll see if I can ask someone.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I don't remember one like that happening and Kratos does indeed crawl out of Hades before GoW 3's final battle. I'll see if I can ask someone.

Thanks, that distinction would be much appreciated

 

[BakiHanma18]

Bump

 

[Kappatalism]

God form for Vegeta is an infinite 3D mulitplier to power

 

[BakiHanma18]

God form for Vegeta is an infinite 3D mulitplier to power

1)I don't see anything like that on his profile. Wouldn't that make Blue Evolution Multiversal, which it's not?

2)Doesn't matter how strong Vegeta is if (and right now, it's a big if) Kratos can res, because he'd die and then just come back and one shot hax Vegeta

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Vegeta FRA

 

[BakiHanma18]

4-0 in Vegeta's favor. Guess one good Spirit Breaker is all it takes...

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

God form for Vegeta is an infinite 3D mulitplier to power

That's never been a thing, no.

 

[BakiHanma18]

That's never been a thing, no.

Didn't think so

 

[Kappatalism]

God form for Vegeta is an infinite 3D mulitplier to power

That's never been a thing, no.

going from galaxy to universal+ is infinite.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Regardless of the boost in general, it's simple: if Kratos can resurrect even once, Vegeta will lose. If not, Vegeta will win

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

going from galaxy to universal+ is infinite.

No...? What are you on about? Vegeta is only at Universe+ as a Super Saiyan Evolution, otherwise he's 3-A.

From what I can see seems that only power of hope Kratos can do so, which is very... confusing to me but eh.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

ur mom infinite lmao gotem

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

As far as I can tell, this is pretty bad matchup.

Vegeta has such an AP advantage that he wins no matter what he does. Kratos has hax but he doesn't use them off the bat and instead uses them as he feels he needs to in the fight. Vegeta will never allow things to go that far.

Even if we use End of GOW3 Kratos, it still wouldn't be a good matchup because Vegeta wouldn't be able of to put him and Kratos would just hax him to death after the first time he was killed.

So, yeah, this is a stomp and I don't see a real way to tweak it.

 

[BakiHanma18]

ur mom infinite lmao gotem

Somebody make this man a character profile, make him tier 0, and give him fire Manipulation and Fire Manipulation Resistance

 

[BakiHanma18]

As far as I can tell, this is pretty bad matchup.

Vegeta has such an AP advantage that he wins no matter what he does. Kratos has hax but he doesn't use them off the bat and instead uses them as he feels he needs to in the fight. Vegeta will never allow things to go that far.

Even if we use End of GOW3 Kratos, it still wouldn't be a good matchup because Vegeta wouldn't be able of to put him and Kratos would just hax him to death after the first time he was killed.

So, yeah, this is a stomp and I don't see a real way to tweak it.

I could tweak it to make it a little more even (I have plenty of experience tweaking since me making uneven matches seems to be a vice of mine I'm trying to fix), but Vegeta's pretty close to the win already, and Kratos DOES technically have a win condition (a very bad one, but one nonetheless), I say we continue and if any Kratos fan can come in here and get Vegeta shit-stomped, all the power to them

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Yeah, no. A character being close to a win doesn't negate the matchup being an AP stomp. Such matchups should never go on the profile. Vegeta will kill Kratos with any attack before Kratos could ever use any of his abilities. That is the textbook definition of a stomp.

Saying that Kratos' wincon is bad, doesn't help your case. Just having a wincon really doesn't mean anything if said wincon isn't realisitcally attainable.

 

[BakiHanma18]

??? If there is a condition in which Kratos can win, which there is, then it's not a stomp, or a situation in which a character can't win

 

[BakiHanma18]

Here, I will tweak it and REALLY make it anyone's game

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

??? If there is a condition in which Kratos can win, which there is, then it's not a stomp, or a situation in which a character can't win

A character's wincon has to actually be something that can be reasonably accomplished. If the character's only way to win is do to something they have no knowledge of, something that they can't even pull off, or act completely out of character, one has to start question the nature of the match.

Having a wincon =/= Wincon is viable

 

[Schnee_One]

Vegeta has a pretty good resistance to Mind Manipulation. He resisted Babidi's through sheer willpower, AKA Saiyan Pride. Vegeta also has Limited Power Nullification. Strong enough to destroy a GoD Toppo's Hakai Energy, which can Erase beings from existence, reguardless if they're a ghost or not.

That doesn't sound impressive at all.

 

[Ionliosite]

That's because Vegeta's mind manip resistance isn't good at all. It works on, more or less, 5 people.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I've changed the OP so that both are now bloodlusted, so hax is a viable option, but Vegeta can still AP oneshot just as easily

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Bro, the Ap advantage for Vegeta here is lolhuge if he starts in base and can go up to Blue, he can atomize Kratos with a slap

So, Kratos have some good hax, does he start with something besides physical attacks ?

 

[BakiHanma18]

Bro, the Ap advantage for Vegeta here is lolhuge if he starts in base and can go up to Blue, he can atomize Kratos with a slap

So, Kratos have some good hax, does he start with something besides physical attacks ?

Now that he's bloodlusted, if Vegeta powers up, Kratos just kinda oneshots him with any of his millions of haxs

 

[Lightning_XXI]

If Vegeta is bloodlusted, he just Final Flashes Kratos into atoms