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One clearly negates durability.
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Vegeta vs Beerus
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Even though Beerus only ever used it on people orders of magnitude weaker than him?
There's no evidence that shows they need to be weaker than you. IIRC, even gods of destruction threaten to hakai each other. And Beerus is still stronger than Vegeta so that argument is moot.
There's no evidence that shows they need to be weaker than you. IIRC, even gods of destruction threaten to hakai each other. And Beerus is still stronger than Vegeta so that argument is moot.
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You said one clearly negates dura. How does it clearly negate dura when we've never actually seen it used on anyone stronger than Beerus?
Prove that Hakai is so vastly different than Energy of Hakai that the former is some uber, dura negating hax that Beerus or Sidra could successfully use on Grand Priest, Super Shenron and Zeno while the latter can be negated through just strength. I don't have to prove the contrary.
Never denied that Beerus is stronger than Vegeta.
Prove that Hakai is so vastly different than Energy of Hakai that the former is some uber, dura negating hax that Beerus or Sidra could successfully use on Grand Priest, Super Shenron and Zeno while the latter can be negated through just strength. I don't have to prove the contrary.
Never denied that Beerus is stronger than Vegeta.
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The fact that there's no need to physically touch the target in any form is proof enough that it's dura negating. Anyone who isn't affected by it has resistance to EE of a higher quality than the resistance from the energy blast. Simple.
Power has nothing to do with something that doesn't touch you, or should characters like Golden King not be able glare base Goku to death?
Power has nothing to do with something that doesn't touch you, or should characters like Golden King not be able glare base Goku to death?
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So Namek Saga Frieza's telekinetic explosion he did to Krillin would work on the Grand Priest because he didn't need to physically touch Krillin to do it?
But here are my two major problems
Well one, you're assuming Hakai can do things that it frankly has never been shown or stated capable of to begin with. Prove that Beerus secretly has some god tier attack that would one shot Grand Priest, Super Shenron and Zeno.
Two Energy of Hakai is an attack which outside the similar names, also has the exact same effects as Hakai and has even been referred to as "Hakai" by Toppo, Beerus and others. This attack has directly shown not to work on stronger opponents.
With all the similarities these two attacks have, with the one difference being how they are delivered, it is very presumptuous to assume that they now function completely differently in that one completely and utterly negates dura while the other doesn't.
But here are my two major problems
Well one, you're assuming Hakai can do things that it frankly has never been shown or stated capable of to begin with. Prove that Beerus secretly has some god tier attack that would one shot Grand Priest, Super Shenron and Zeno.
Two Energy of Hakai is an attack which outside the similar names, also has the exact same effects as Hakai and has even been referred to as "Hakai" by Toppo, Beerus and others. This attack has directly shown not to work on stronger opponents.
With all the similarities these two attacks have, with the one difference being how they are delivered, it is very presumptuous to assume that they now function completely differently in that one completely and utterly negates dura while the other doesn't.
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Well in all fairness, Hakai could probably work on anyone so long as the gap isn't "too" significant.
The "so strong i can resist hax" thing usually only works when there's a considerable gap in power except for the three unique cases. (Goku, Vegeta and Freeza)
The "so strong i can resist hax" thing usually only works when there's a considerable gap in power except for the three unique cases. (Goku, Vegeta and Freeza)
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Beerus is definently on the level of or straight up stronger than the prince of all vegetables
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You're asking me to prove hakai can affect the god tiers which nobody is talking about. I'm saying things not shown or stated? Did Beerus shoot anything at Zamasu to erase him? Nope - dura negating.
People were attempting to resist and withstand Toppo's hakai left and right, even though he said he could easily erase them if it weren't for the rules.
Beerus hakais Vegeta with either method, end of story.
People were attempting to resist and withstand Toppo's hakai left and right, even though he said he could easily erase them if it weren't for the rules.
Beerus hakais Vegeta with either method, end of story.
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Merrr I think Beerus is more in the 3rd trigger UI Omen range so Beerus Low+ difficulty. Hakai would likely be reduced to the status of just possibly being Beerus's strongest attack in the fight.
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Because you've suggested that's Hakai is a dura negating technique Beerus can kill people stronger than him. Again, just because you don't have to touch someone with an attack doesn't mean that attack negates dura and works on vastly stronger people.
And again, no reason to assume Energy of Hakai works vastly different than the other Hakai purely from their different ways of being delivered.
Since this isn't too relevant to this thread since Beerus is stronger either way, I'm just gonna drop it.
And again, no reason to assume Energy of Hakai works vastly different than the other Hakai purely from their different ways of being delivered.
Since this isn't too relevant to this thread since Beerus is stronger either way, I'm just gonna drop it.
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@Outerversal
Agreed. Even without that Beerus wins with more experience and vastly more training than Toppo alone. Even if he slept for most of the time that's probably still hundreds of thousands of years in his belt.
Agreed. Even without that Beerus wins with more experience and vastly more training than Toppo alone. Even if he slept for most of the time that's probably still hundreds of thousands of years in his belt.
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@Ryu
Whis said there is nothing Beerus couldn't destroy
Checkmate
Whis said there is nothing Beerus couldn't destroy
Checkmate
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Beerus is the strongest there is
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We really need a thread about Hakai don't we. I am really against making this Existence Erasure any different from the others from other fictions honestly. Dragon Ball gets enough of that as is. Why not treat it like other verses and say that those who can tank it, have a resistance. And in the ToP Toppo purposesly didn't erase people....somehow...do to choosing not to. (I imagine there is like a hidden switch they flip when they don't want to erase someone from existence. ovo)
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Beerus>>>>>your favorite verse
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Toppo the weakest god of destruction.. was owning vegeta until he got a friend ship power up, Beerus would win mid dif.
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@dragon
Those who tank it have a resistance as opposed to what?
And true, he had an aura of existence erasure yet he didn't kill anybody or destroy anything.
With that logic he should've suffocated himself via erasing all the incoming air out of existence 0v0
He should've fell through the floor and rang himself out
Those who tank it have a resistance as opposed to what?
And true, he had an aura of existence erasure yet he didn't kill anybody or destroy anything.
With that logic he should've suffocated himself via erasing all the incoming air out of existence 0v0
He should've fell through the floor and rang himself out
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I guess not treating it as Durability Negation?Unite My Rice said:
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Hakai can erase anything it is superior than. Yea it erases, if you can't tank it you are going bye bye. You need to be at most a little stronger than your opponent I suppose. If something has more energy than the actual attack, nothing is getting erased. If anyone gets resistance to existance erasure it wouldn't make sense as they can all be erased by Zeno.
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Frieza didn't get erased by the hakai energy when he was much weaker than it
Ki control ftw
Ki control ftw
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Idk. Hakai shouldn't even do damage in the first place lol. The whole hakai energy thing stopped making sense that episode Frieza withstood sidra
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Hakai is kachi katchin level via feats
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Anyone who makes a comment like that, in my opinion, not only knows nothing about DBS, but also probably shouldn't be the sole moderator in a discussion about it.Unite My Rice said:
I want to remain as impartial as I can, but are you trolling, or do you seriously believe that Beerus is stronger than the Omni King who created him?? Even Vs Battle Wiki itself acknowledges Zeno as a full slot above Beerus in the tiers (2-C vs Low 2-C.)
And do you not realize the absurdity of what your Hakai argument ultimately implies? This means that any fight between GoDs wouldn't be a fight at all; it would be a contest to see who could point their fingers at each other and say "Hakai" faster, and would last about two seconds. Do you really think that's what the creators of the show had in mind when they made the GoDs?
Your vote will be counted like everyone else, but Vegeta and Beerus are the same tier for a reason--they are not so far apart that all Beerus has to do is point at Vegeta to make him drop dead. Either way, this is a fight, not a stomp. Let's try to leave our bias behind, shall we?
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You asked me if I was trolling but I'm starting to wonder if I should ask you that tbh
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.....anyway
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Beerus >>>> the short guy who had to exert all of his energy to beat someone who had only been using GoD powers for like three minutes
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Yeah, Beerus stomps drastically if basic reasoning were to be token into account.
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Is that meant to be some kind of retort, or are you done?
I make the assumption that was sarcasm.
Like, sever sarcasm
I make the assumption that was sarcasm.
Like, sever sarcasm
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And was holding back
ƒÉ▒catgod besting the son just like he beat his dad
Or is he a dog? He looks like a purple Anubis.
ƒÉ▒catgod besting the son just like he beat his dad
Or is he a dog? He looks like a purple Anubis.
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I can't even. You need to chill out lol.
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The influence I have :^)
Also this match was created on the premise that we even know what a full power Beerus looks like. But we know he's stronger than Toppo who was holding back against Vegeta who forced him to use full power.
And full power Jiren is far above that and he smited Vegeta, Goku, and 17 with power alone.
We might be in stomp territory tbh.
Also this match was created on the premise that we even know what a full power Beerus looks like. But we know he's stronger than Toppo who was holding back against Vegeta who forced him to use full power.
And full power Jiren is far above that and he smited Vegeta, Goku, and 17 with power alone.
We might be in stomp territory tbh.
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