Vasto Lorde Ichigo Range revision

[Wankstasosuke]

Above Heaven and Below Earth, 0 Alone Surpasses 13

I am down with 4-A If people can provide more evidence for 2-C that would be cool, neutral on that for now

vsbattles.com

https://imgur.com/gallery/z74tjxH

In the hellverse databook it is said that VL Ichigo shakes HM and in the crt above HM is considered 5b so VL Ichigo must have 5b range ウエコムンド 虚圏で、一つ

の力が覚醒した。

スノーチエス てんが 虚夜

宮の天蓋の上。青白い月 が輝く夜の下。

ホロウ

くろいちご 第4十刃ウルキオラ・シファーとの戦いの中で、黒崎一護の意識は内なる虚に飲みこ

トロ エスパーダ

まれ、完全に、虚と化した。

異様なその姿。

劇場版BLEACH 地獄篇

強大なその力。

ウルキオラの腕を引き千切り、胸を切り裂き、だった虚で半身を消し飛ばした。

ウエコムンド そのすさまじい力は、広大な虚圏全土を震わせただけでなく、深淵で蠢く者たちにも
Hueco Mundo In the False Sphere, one power awakened.



Snochies, the sky is the false night



Above the canopy of the palace. Under the night when the pale moon shines.



Hollow



KUROSAKI CHIGO In the battle against the fourth ten blades Ulquiorra Cifer, Ichigo Kurosaki's consciousness is swallowed by the emptiness within.



Toro Espada



He was completely transformed into emptiness.



A strange appearance.



BLEACH the Movie: Hell Arc



The mighty power.



It ripped Ulquiorra's arms off, tore his chest open, and obliterated half his body with the emptiness that had been his.



Hueco Mundo. Its tremendous power not only shook the whole of the vast void, but also those who stirred in the abyss.

 

[ZetsuEarly0]

Hmm I don't see anything wrong I agree.

 

[MusicRelaxing]

Can you get that translated?

 

[CryptonBestDbFan]

Looks good, I agree.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

Can you get that translated?

sure
Within Hueco Mundo, a single force had arose atop the very canopy of the palace that is Las Noches. Beneath the pallid lunar midnight glow, it was during this battle with the 4th Espada, known as Ulquiorra Schiffer, that Ichigo's very consciousness had been engulfed and consumed by his own inner hollow powers. He had become a complete void being; a hollow in its wake. Its appearance was bizarre and its prowess was massively overwhelming. Stripping apart Ulquiorra's arms, he is a force to be reckoned with; slicing it into shreds and piercing through his chest, obliterating half of his body in the process with flashes he released from his hollow powers. His ferocious strength not only shook the vast and endless Hueco Mundo, but also those who lurked within the depths of the "abyss".

 

[Benimōru]

We don't use Discord links in wiki profiles anymore. You need to upload them to Imgur or any album site like that.

Also, if you are going to use Japanese scans, you need to have the translation confirmed by Transtlation Helpers.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I agree

Meanwhile, can Ulquiorra's feat of shaking HM with Resurrection be scaled to other Espadas who could destroy Las Noches?

 

[Myxenete]

sure
Within Hueco Mundo, a single force had arose atop the very canopy of the palace that is Las Noches. Beneath the pallid lunar midnight glow, it was during this battle with the 4th Espada, known as Ulquiorra Schiffer, that Ichigo's very consciousness had been engulfed and consumed by his own inner hollow powers. He had become a complete void being; a hollow in its wake. Its appearance was bizarre and its prowess was massively overwhelming. Stripping apart Ulquiorra's arms, he is a force to be reckoned with; slicing it into shreds and piercing through his chest, obliterating half of his body in the process with flashes he released from his hollow powers. His ferocious strength not only shook the vast and endless Hueco Mundo, but also those who lurked within the depths of the "abyss".

This seems to be talking about full hollow Ichigo shaking Hueco Mundo not ulquiorra

 

[Valeska24]

We don't use Discord links in wiki profiles anymore. You need to upload them to Imgur or any album site like that.

Also, if you are going to use Japanese scans, you need to have the translation confirmed by Transtlation Helpers.

This is not much of a problem. We can make this image ready to be displayed on the profile via Imgur, and in the translation section, even when we use Google Translete, we see an obvious shaking feat, and I think the person who opened the CRT had previously asked Arc7 about this feat, so this should not be a big problem right now, please dont derail the topic. Don't try to divert,focus on the main topic of crt

Anyway i agree

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

sure
Within Hueco Mundo, a single force had arose atop the very canopy of the palace that is Las Noches. Beneath the pallid lunar midnight glow, it was during this battle with the 4th Espada, known as Ulquiorra Schiffer, that Ichigo's very consciousness had been engulfed and consumed by his own inner hollow powers. He had become a complete void being; a hollow in its wake. Its appearance was bizarre and its prowess was massively overwhelming. Stripping apart Ulquiorra's arms, he is a force to be reckoned with; slicing it into shreds and piercing through his chest, obliterating half of his body in the process with flashes he released from his hollow powers. His ferocious strength not only shook the vast and endless Hueco Mundo, but also those who lurked within the depths of the "abyss".

Don't take my reply in a wrong way. Just an advice
Bro you should make the CRT in some proper way where staffs can evaluate. You posting translation in comments and making a CRT with half and half information gonna be hard for Staffs to read. Atleast contact someone who usually does the thread for assistance.

Also you should reference where you get this scan.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

We don't use Discord links in wiki profiles anymore. You need to upload them to Imgur or any album site like that.

Also, if you are going to use Japanese scans, you need to have the translation confirmed by Transtlation Helpers.

I shared it on imgur

 

[Benimōru]

Also, I forgot to mention, but is Hueco Mundo already accepted as 5-B?

If so, shaking a 5-B structure alone does not grant 5-B AP, it depends on the degree/magnitude of the shaking.

 

[Valeska24]

Don't take my reply in a wrong way. Just an advice
Bro you should make the CRT in some proper way where staffs can evaluate. You posting translation in comments and making a CRT with half and half information gonna be hard for Staffs to read. Atleast contact someone who usually does the thread for assistance.

Also you should reference where you get this scan.

To tell you the truth, I think it would have been much better if it had been a more detailed, long and explanatory article. In the translation part, it would have been better if he had given the English version and the source of this scan. The thread is very insufficient, but if I come to the main topic, I think there is an obvious range feat, so I think we need to wait a bit and wait for additional evidence to be presented.

 

[Valeska24]

Also, I forgot to mention, but is Hueco Mundo already accepted as 5-B?

If so, shaking a 5-B structure alone does not grant 5-B AP, it depends on the degree/magnitude of the shaking.

bro, this is not AP crt, it is Range crt, please read the title

 

[Benimōru]

bro, this is not AP crt, it is Range crt, please read the title

How do you expect me to understand a OP that is not in English?

 

[Valeska24]

How do you expect me to understand a OP that is not in English?

"ulquiorra range revision" yes, that's in the title, isn't it? And it's a title written in English. I think reading it would be enough to understand the subject, right?

 

[Raskolux]

On this site, we don't use "Turkish," so please change the language used to OP.

Also, if this realm is accepted as 5-B on the wiki, I agree with the proposal

 

[Wankstasosuke]

On this site, we don't use "Turkish," so please change the language used to OP.

Also, if this realm is accepted as 5-B on the wiki, I agree with the proposal

sorry I fixed

 

[Wankstasosuke]

I agree

Meanwhile, can Ulquiorra's feat of shaking HM with Resurrection be scaled to other Espadas who could destroy Las Noches?

sure

 

[BreezeHM]

The statement was talking about Ichigo's Hollow Form from what I'm seeing.

 

[TheLav69]

Do we consider Hellverse’s depiction of VL Ichigo vs Ulquiorra to take precedent over the manga version on this site?

 

[Wankstasosuke]

The statement was talking about Ichigo's Hollow Form from what I'm seeing.

I noticed this.

 

[Excellence616]

I noticed this.

You changed the title

 

[Wankstasosuke]

Do we consider Hellverse’s depiction of VL Ichigo vs Ulquiorra to take precedent over the manga version on this site?

Ulquiorra vs Ichigo part is stated to be omission to the main story
完全虚化した一護が劇場版に登場!

「地獄篇」の始ほりを会げる。虚夜宮 (ラス・ノーチェス) ての完全虚化一護とウルキオラの死滅。その迫力は上映開始数分でるものをにしてしまうほど。そしす。この説は本編の佚線でもある。

Ichigo appears in the film in complete Hollowfication!

The start of "Hell Verse". The destruction of Ulquiorra and the complete Hollowfication of Ichigo at Las Noches is so intense that it takes up the first few minutes of the film. That's right. This view is also an omission to the main story.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

You changed the title

I fixed

 

[Excellence616]

Ulquiorra vs Ichigo part is stated to be omission to the main story
完全虚化した一護が劇場版に登場!

「地獄篇」の始ほりを会げる。虚夜宮 (ラス・ノーチェス) ての完全虚化一護とウルキオラの死滅。その迫力は上映開始数分でるものをにしてしまうほど。そしす。この説は本編の佚線でもある。

Ichigo appears in the film in complete Hollowfication!

The start of "Hell Verse". The destruction of Ulquiorra and the complete Hollowfication of Ichigo at Las Noches is so intense that it takes up the first few minutes of the film. That's right. This view is also an omission to the main story.

Wasn't Hell verse stated to be non canon?

 

[Wankstasosuke]

Wasn't Hell verse stated to be non canon?

Only VL vs Ulquiorra fight is canon

 

[Wankstasosuke]

To deny this is to contradict the main story

 

[Excellence616]

To deny this is to contradict the main story

The way the fight went in the manga and anime is different from what we saw in the Hell verse movie.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

The way the fight went in the manga and anime is different from what we saw in the Hell verse movie.

I explained this above

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

The way the fight went in the manga and anime is different from what we saw in the Hell verse movie.

Exactly what parts are different? It's been a long time since I watched both wars, but I don't remember anything about them being different.

 

[Crobatman44]

Exactly what parts are different? It's been a long time since I watched both wars, but I don't remember anything about them being different.

Iirc Ulquiorra is slighty more relative is all.
Edit:so what changes is that Ulq can physcially clash with Vasto where in the manga/anime only Lanza/Oscuras could just barely do the job,and he can keep up in speed slighty better.
The fight itself does not actually change much in Length,Ulq still gets folded extremly quickly.

 

[Excellence616]

Exactly what parts are different? It's been a long time since I watched both wars, but I don't remember anything about them being different.

 

[Crobatman44]

Iirc Ulquiorra is slighty more relative is all.
Edit:so what changes is that Ulq can physcially clash with Vasto where in the manga/anime only Lanza/Oscuras could just barely do the job,and he can keep up in speed slighty better.
The fight itself does not actually change much in Length,Ulq still gets folded extremly quickly.

This would actually downgrade Vasto's Physicals btw,and only his Cero would scale to Lanza afterwards im fairly sure(since Ulq's physical hand strikes scaling to Lanza is kind off a paradox).
But that's derailing,is there any confirmation that links the movie databooks themselves to the main canon?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Hellverse is non-canon. Close this.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Ulquiorra vs Ichigo part is stated to be omission to the main story
完全虚化した一護が劇場版に登場!

「地獄篇」の始ほりを会げる。虚夜宮 (ラス・ノーチェス) ての完全虚化一護とウルキオラの死滅。その迫力は上映開始数分でるものをにしてしまうほど。そしす。この説は本編の佚線でもある。

Ichigo appears in the film in complete Hollowfication!

The start of "Hell Verse". The destruction of Ulquiorra and the complete Hollowfication of Ichigo at Las Noches is so intense that it takes up the first few minutes of the film. That's right. This view is also an omission to the main story.

I will be responding to this when I get home with a lengthy post refuting everything in this thread, for now disagree

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Why this isn't a real feat that should scale to anyone
Intro
This thread is predicated upon the HellVerse movie is canon. As we'll get into later, this film is blatantly non-canon in every way, but regardless the translation here is honestly awful.
Raws:
ウエコムンドで、一つの力が覚醒した。
ラ・ノーチエスの天蓋の上。 青白い月が輝く夜の下。
クアトロ エスパーダウルキオラ・シファーとの戦いの中で、黒崎一護の意識は内なる虚に飲みこまれ、完全に、ホロウと化した。
異様なその姿。
強大なその力。
ウルキオラの腕を引き千切り、胸を切り裂き、だったセロで半身を消し飛ばした。
そのすさまじい力は、広大なウエコムンド全土を震わせただけでなく、 深淵で蠢く者たちにも

translation:

Spoiler: translation

In Hueco Mundo, a power awakened.

Above the canopy of Las Noches, under the moonlit sky shining in shades of blue and white.

In the battle against the Cuatro Espada Ulquiorra Cifer, Ichigo Kurosaki's consciousness was engulfed by his inner Hollow, turning him completely into a Hollow.

His bizarre appearance.

His mighty power.

He tore off Ulquiorra's arm, slashed through his chest, and obliterated half of his body with a Cero.

Not only did this tremendous power shake the vast land of Hueco Mundo, but it also reached the beings lurking in the depths.

There we go, something we can go off-of. The important thing here is the kanji used is "furuwaseru" 震わせる, which means:
1. to (make something) quiver; to shake; to tremble; to vibrate

The actual source of this statement

In the hellverse databook it is said that VL Ichigo shakes HM and in the crt above HM is considered 5b so VL Ichigo must have 5b range ウエコムンド 虚圏で、一つ

Here you cite the source of this as the "hellverse databook." There are two things you could mean by this, either the Hellverse movie Booklet (given to people at the movie premiers) or the Hellverse Movie Guide (which is important for later). This is the Hellverse booklet:

This is the Hellverse movie guide:

None of these have this exceprt in them. What is the actual source of this excerpt is the novelization written by Makoto Matsubara.

Jigoku-hen's non-canonicty
For an author that's supposed to promote a movie adaptation of his manga series, Kubo has spoken very negatively about the movie.
A slip he added in this special edition of the DVD:
Kubo wanted his name off the credits. He didn't participate enough in the movie to warrant a title, and the only reason it wasn't removed is they were too far into production. He had one meeting with the scriptwriter, and the script they sent him didn't contain any of the ideas he wanted. He wanted to make changes, but then it was too late. The only reason the movie had a bleach-like feeling is because the voice actors and animators did a good job.
Klub outside QnA:
He said the movie and his manga are separate
Hellverse movie Guide:
Kubo said at this time, and with his current level of involvement, that the anime and original works are separate. He also said the redone version of the fight which is radically different to the one we saw in the manga is linked to the original story of the movie, which per the previous evidence is non-canon. Basically, one can't be canon without the other as they're linked.

Some blatant plot contradictions present in the movie:
Yamamoto still has his left arm in the movie. He very clearly loses it in the FKT, so these events can't take place. Ichigo also still has his powers, despite him losing his spiritual powers almost immediately after mugetsu, and then his spiritual sensitivity in general after his 30 day coma, so there's no way this movie can even happen. Ulquiorra fighting relative to FH Ichigo makes no sense, as Ichigo can quash his strongest attack with his bare hands which is stronger than his 10x multiplied cero. Also, you'd get circular scaling chains like Ulquiorra < Starrk < Yammy < FH Ichigo < Ulquiorra < Starrk...

Ulquiorra vs Ichigo part is stated to be omission to the main story
完全虚化した一護が劇場版に登場!

「地獄篇」の始ほりを会げる。虚夜宮 (ラス・ノーチェス) ての完全虚化一護とウルキオラの死滅。その迫力は上映開始数分でるものをにしてしまうほど。そしす。この説は本編の佚線でもある。

Ichigo appears in the film in complete Hollowfication!

The start of "Hell Verse". The destruction of Ulquiorra and the complete Hollowfication of Ichigo at Las Noches is so intense that it takes up the first few minutes of the film. That's right. This view is also an omission to the main story.

This entire statement and section is mistranslated, first of all, and secondly out of context. It's the text right below the Hellverse movie guide interview. What it actually says is:
Fully Hollowfied Ichigo appears in the movie!
A fierce battle between the fully Hollowfied Ichigo and Ulquiorra in the palace of the Hollow Night, marking the beginning of the "Hell Chapter." Its intensity captivates the audience within the first few minutes of the screening. This battle also foreshadows the movie.
All this means is the fight version foreshadows what happens later on in the movie, which is FH Ichigo showing up. The concept of JUST the intro being canon already makes very little sense. It could be possible, but you'd need a hyper-blatant statement to prove this. Such statement doesn't exist, and if Kubo really felt that strongly about it, he'd put it in the manga with a note saying "btw, watch the hellverse version instead," or something like that. A discussion rule against using the Hellverse movie should be made.

 

[Lynieryz]

I think the OP doesn't consider the film to be canonical, but because it's a flashback to something that is canonical, he's treating it as if it were the fight that happened but with more emphasis and details, If what the OP is probably thinking is right or not, you all have to discuss it because I don't care enough to have an opinion on this

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

A discussion rule against using the Hellverse movie should be made.

I completely agree, but a question stuck in my mind at this part. Can completely different profiles be opened for Hell? At least maybe we can treat the events here as different canon.

 

[Crobatman44]

Btw,i heavily disagree with this CRT.