Variable tier for Hoopa?

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

That can be argued, but for now i will drop that.

As long as you agree on this point, i am perfectly content.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Saikou

Actually I believe when they mentioned games they were referring to SMD, not ORAS.

But regardless the movie has it and if its okay from the movies perspective, we should be good to go.

 

[Antvasima]

Have you had the time to evaluate this Howard?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I still haven't seen the movie. I guess he could be said tier via summoning, but I'm not sure if he mind controlled them.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

He did. You could look up the fighting part of the movie if you'd like Cal.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Can confirm, It's even showed via spooky red eyes if I recall.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Also can confirm. Each of them clearly followed a set pattern made by Hoopa. Weird how OP Hoopa is..

 

[GameHearo266]

Bump

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Yes, Hoopa mind controlled them in the new movie simultaneously. I think this was most clearly showcased in the ending where the Legendary Pokémon all became docile upon being released from its control but I don't recall it being spelled out or anything.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Alright then.

Is this acceptable now or should we wait for more input?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I believe we should wait for more people , Kukui.

 

[GameHearo266]

Bump

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[GameHearo266]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Howard & Saikou What do you think?

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

I agree with Hoopa having a variable tier

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Alright

Is this enough to start making additions?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I believe this is fine as well.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Alright good.

How should we label the justifications tho? I don't think just saying Low 2-C via summoning Dialga is enough or... Am I overthinking it?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well 2-C vua summonig and controlling a 2-C, which Dialga is, should actually be enough. Maybe expand it by listing more examples and a screencap of Hoops summoning and controlling said controlled legend plus a link to thier to clear up any potential confusion.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, there seems to be a tentative yes for this from the staff, so I suppose that changes are fine. You have to decide how to apply them however.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hmm okay. How about this?

Tier: Unknow | At least High 7-A | At Least High 7-A when summoning Latias/Latios | 6-C to 6-B when summoning Lugia | 6-A when summoning Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem | High 6-A when summoning Regigigas | At Least 5-C and Higher when summoning Groudon/Kyogre and Rayquaza | At Least Low 2-C when summoning Dialga/Palkia/Giratina

Attack Potency: Unknow | At least Large Mountain level (Was sealed away due to its power despite Pokémon such as Tyranitar being available in Kalos.) | At Least Large Mountain Level (Can summon and control both Latias and Latios, even when they mega evolve) | Island Level to Country Level (Can summon and control Lugia, even when Confined) | Continent Level (Can summon and control Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem, even when it changes form) | Multi-Continent Level (Can summon and control Regigigas) | At Least Moon Level and Higher (Can summon and control Groudon and Kyogre, even in their Primal Forms; Can also summon and control Rayquaza, even when it mega evolves) | At Least Universe Level+ (Can summon and control Sealed Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all at once)

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

Hmm okay. How about this?
Tier: Unknow | At least High 7-A | At Least High 7-A when summoning Latias/Latios | 6-C to 6-B when summoning Lugia | 6-A when summoning Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem | High 6-A when summoning Regigigas | At Least 5-C and Higher when summoning Groudon/Kyogre and Rayquaza | At Least Low 2-C when summoning Dialga/Palkia/Giratina

Attack Potency: Unknow | At least Large Mountain level (Was sealed away due to its power despite Pokémon such as Tyranitar being available in Kalos.) | At Least Large Mountain Level (Can summon and control both Latias and Latios, even when they mega evolve) | Island Level to Country Level (Can summon and control Lugia, even when Confined) | Continent Level (Can summon and control Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem, even when it changes form) | Multi-Continent Level (Can summon and control Regigigas) | At Least Moon Level and Higher (Can summon and control Groudon and Kyogre, even in their Primal Forms; Can also summon and control Rayquaza, even when it mega evolves) | At Least Universe Level+ (Can summon and control Sealed Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all at once)

It's fine for me

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems reasonable to me, but I do not know Pokemon well.

 

[GameHearo266]

Bump

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Why not just place it as At least High 7-A, higher via summoning, then explaining that he can summon and control the listed legendary Pokemon simultaneously, whilst linking the Pokemon in the profile? I think that makes the point in a more conservative matter.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

True but wouldn't it be better to clarify which tiers Hoopa becomes when he summons a specific legendary to prevent confusion?

For example, say someone puts Hoopa in a Low 2-C battle because of the creation trio. Then someone complains on Hoopa not being specified in that tier for it not being listed on his page but only listed to control those Pokemon and they take it as him just summoning them, not using them for battle?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Not if you clarify it can control them in the midst of battle.

 

[Antvasima]

Why not just place it as At least High 7-A, higher via summoning, then explaining that he can summon and control the listed legendary Pokemon simultaneously, whilst linking the Pokemon in the profile? I think that makes the point in a more conservative matter.

I think that this seems to make better sense.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

If suggest at least adding a something on to the At least High 7-A, like maybe At least High 7-A, up to 2-C vua summoning as Kukui does have a point, without specifying it can go up that high it could confuse people.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems reasonable as well.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I like the suggestion.

 

[Antvasima]

So, is anybody willing to handle the edits?

 

[GameHearo266]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I can unlock the page if necessary.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Which version are we doing ? I can do the editions myself if necessarily.

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies but I would prefer if somebody experienced and informed about the issue handles it.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I see. No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks for being reasonable.