Valentine acausality

[GiornoGiovannaF]

okey so i might be wrong on this one but should valentine have type 3 acausality

Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place.

this is the definition and we know that if valentine dies other versions can come to replace him so he should have type 3 acas or limited type 3

 

[Bedroombedrock]

Agreed we should give valentine type 3 acausality

 

[Antvasima]

This seems to make sense to me, but you should ask other experienced and active members listed in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure verse page to comment here.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

I agree this seems pretty obvious.

 

[Ionliosite]

I agree, it make sense.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it seems rather uncontroversial to apply then.

 

[KarmodF]

Very straightforward, I agree.

EDIT: I have to agree with Prom, Valentine still needs to survive the attack so he can transfer himself to another body with his memories.

 

[Promestein]

No, Valentine needs to survive an attack to do this, because he needs to actively travel in order to do so. If he dies instantly, no D4C, no timeline jumping, nothing. He just dies, and it's done.

 

[Chariot190]

Technically both right and wrong, what you say is true but what prom says woud also be true.

He does have it but he needs to transfer his conscious via D4C first, so in a sense yeah the original can die and another can take his place, but there has to be a extra step in between that, that being having D4C body hop. It's technically right but it's an extremely heavily limited version of it. If such a thing as limited Type 3 is a thing, then i'm ok with that.


On the oher hand the novel version of Funny and Kars should get a pass for it as D4C/U can bring in a duplicate even post mortem.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

yeah limited type 3 sounds good

also i dont remember but wasnt he hoping while being under tusk 4

 

[KarmodF]

No, iirc he was just defending himself with Love Train, him getting older was due to Infinite Rotation/Tusk's effects.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

No, iirc he was just defending himself with Love Train, him getting older was due to Infinite Rotation/Tusk's effects.

i mean later when he was underground he was always hoping and got dio to join him

 

[Antvasima]

Promestein is better informed than I am about this, so her interpretation is more likely to be correct.

 

[Promestein]

It's not limited Type 3, it's Dimensional Travel and Possession

 

[Eficiente]

Prom is correct.

 

[Eficiente]

For reference, you know what sci-fi character also doesn't have this acausality.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Who?

 

[Spinoirr]

Rick

 

[Antvasima]

So do we need to do anything here, or should we close the thread?

 

[Chariot190]

It's not limited Type 3, it's Dimensional Travel and Possession

That's right, although as we have it written, Funny Valentine would fall under the description as given by OP. With zero contradiction other then the fact I don't see how it has anything to do with temporal but matter of the fact is, Funny can die, and another Funny can take his place, zero questions asked, albeit there's an extra step involved (D4C must move to a new funny prior to complete death), but the description doesnt say that there has to be no extra steps. Now while I dont personally think Funny should have it, OP isnt wrong in thinking the Funny fits under the current description. Maybe change the description of the ability? Otherwise it's technically not wrong.

 

[Bedroombedrock]

I agree with that actually

 

[Eficiente]

Why not.

"Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality have other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This is a natural process that makes these characters incredibly difficult to kill."?

I don't like the "Temporal Permanence" name, something like Disposable Existence would be better.

 

[Chariot190]

Don't know what you mean by why not, you aren't making it clear what you're even responding to but...

I do agree with your name change, it fits way better, especially given that it ain't even a time based ability (more often then not, although it can be, temporal implies, if not directly enforces, that it has to be time based or the duplicates have to coe from a time basedthing like in the past, future, etc).

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Well Love Train from the novels can probably have type 3 acausality right?