Vados vs Sailor Moon

[Frenchie-123]

See? In Goku's reality, they're not limited to only using energy attacks, or supernatural or elemental manipulation. They can engage in genuine hand-to-hand combat with overwhelming speed and strength, as well as above average combat proficiency. No "hax". No magic. Superhuman physical combat. Also, Vados has actually shown capable physical feats as well.

vados can make a suit very very very heavy on vados and then she die

 

[Dekoshu]

I meant superhuman physical combat. As in, punching and kicking people and breaking things that cannot be broken normally by just body contact.

 

[Naitez]

I think they don't have that ability. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

[Lawd_Obito]

That'd be unfair though, SM seemingly only has human striking strength vs an universal being, Vados wouldn't need to move because every bone in SM's body whould shatter upon punching Vados.

 

[Dekoshu]

Besides attacking Sailor Moon by bodily contact, Vados can let Sailor Moon do the same, and damage herself upon attacking Vados. What? Being extremely powerful is more than being able to warp reality, stop time, manipulate the soul, and manipulation of the higher dimension. It's also being able to intelligently solve things mundanely and having the sufficient physical strength, durability, endurance and experience in hand-to-hand combat to deal with people who don't in a situation they were to resort to fight in certain means.

 

[Naitez]

You're speaking of intelligence which is entirely separate from strength and power.

 

[Dekoshu]

By intelligence, I mean, you knowing that you can do physical things, despite being genuinely superhuman. You can have intelligence as a strength, but it's not necessarily physical.

 

[Shock97]

We should hold off on this and any other high stakes matches like this until we learn more about Whis, Vados, Beerus, Champa and any other Gods. Just last episode we have confirmation Vados has high matter manipulation possibly going into molecular territory (thought it wasn't used offensively).

 

[Salavtore]

Agreed on that. ^

Whis and Vados has shown time rewinding hax (well just whis so far but cannot assume that vados can't do the same thing well) so theres bound to be here.

 

[Aurasuke]

^ Well 3 mins isn't exactly long, Homura can do 1 month easily but she's nowhere near Whis's level (unless you count her demonform than she's kind of infinitely above)

 

[Aparajita]

Agreed on that. ^
Whis and Vados has shown time rewinding hax (well just whis so far but cannot assume that vados can't do the same thing well) so theres bound to be here.

Rewinding =/= Complete Time Maniuplation, which Sailor Cosmos (Moon's form being used here) has. Pluto was able to stop, rewind, fast forward, and potentially access other timelines, despite being "encouraged" to not do so IIRC. It's been years, so no gallows if i'm wrong.

 

[Salavtore]

I should of reworded better. I meant to say they only showcased that hax so far but nothing else that would show off more of their potential outtermost power.

 

[Lawd_Obito]

Well, for me, Vados's victory depends on, well, the win condition.

If it's KO (or BFR is allowed), she wins, not easily but I don't think that immortals are immune to getting knocked out. And she knows pressure points.

If it's death, then it's troublesome, Vados is basically fightning an immortal and while the comments suggest she has a way to remove said immortality, it'd be hard to deal with SM's hax while destroying the thing.

Giving it to Vados if BFR or KO is a win. SM in a death match, unless Vados has the knowledge to go ahead, KO SM as quickly as possible and destroy the immortality source (if it's there) before finishing off SM, heh.

 

[Aparajita]

Giving it to Vados if BFR or KO is a win. SM in a death match, unless Vados has the knowledge to go ahead, KO SM as quickly as possible and destroy the immortality source (if it's there) before finishing off SM, heh.

SM's immortality coming from being Sailor Cosmos, which isn't derived from another deity, it's Godhood granted because of who she is.

 

[Alexcar3000]

Someone has probably said it already, but having versus with Vados or Whis is the same as having a versus with Saitama. We still have not seen both of them being serious, and Vados/Whis haven't even fight already, all their feats have been done extremely casual and never in battle, every episode we see them getting a new ability and I'll say that we better wait for more episodes before doing a versus.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^That doesn't matter much in vs threads, we only go by what they have shown

 

[Lawd_Obito]

^^^Lol, ho well, Vados can't win the "death" round then.

 

[Mister_Death]

People seem to forget Universe level is pretty much a low end spec in DBS right now and Vados one shots universe level characters casually

 

[Dekoshu]

Other than clear dominance in actual hand-to-hand combat, Vado's capabilities would be further shown as Goku and the others are fighting in the tournament and outside of the tournament.

 

[Naitez]

That's why we go with feats and abilities.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

People seem to forget Universe level is pretty much a low end spec in DBS right now and Vados one shots universe level characters casually

One-shotting a universe level character is still universe level.

One-shotting ten million universe level characters is also still universe level.

It's an incredibly wide category.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

People seem to forget Universe level is pretty much a low end spec in DBS right now and Vados one shots universe level characters casually

Quite the opposite actually, nobody in DBS has one shotted the universe yet except for statements (what I understood from Lord Kavpeny's reasoning). Beerus is universal only because he's much, much stronger than SSG Goku, not by actual feats.

 

[Mister_Death]

People seem to forget Universe level is pretty much a low end spec in DBS right now and Vados one shots universe level characters casually

Quite the opposite actually, nobody in DBS has one shotted the universe yet except for statements (what I understood from Lord Kavpeny's reasoning). Beerus is universal only because he's much, much stronger than SSG Goku, not by actual feats.

In one of the more recent DBS episodes it was mentioned that the battle between Champa and Beerus would destroy both universes 6 and 7, apparently as an after effect and not them actually trying to destroy the universe. If going by pure feats then by all means, no one has destroyed a universe yet, well, unless you try to say the blast Beerus nullified was not universe level.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^We're generous as it is, most other forums accept stats only after a feat has been shown. But yes, Universe level is not a low end spec in DBS, not yet

 

[Mister_Death]

^We're generous as it is, most other forums accept stats only after a feat has been shown. But yes, Universe level is not a low end spec in DBS, not yet

I meant how Vados destroys beerus in a fight while beerus is generally considered universe level

 

[Aparajita]

^Still no response for instant time maniuplation or immortality type 4 that Vados can't remove. Sailor Cosmos wins this.

I can't believe i'm supporting SM over DBZ, even Vados who i think is more attractive lol.

 

[Mister_Death]

^Still no response for instant time maniuplation or immortality type 4 that Vados can't remove. Sailor Cosmos wins this.
I can't believe i'm supporting SM over DBZ, even Vados who i think is more attractive lol.

BFR or simply being generally faster? Vados' staff potentially negating hacks in General. You can always say "Vados can't kill SM because Godhood Immortality" but how far can such an argument go? The original post did not specify whether by KO or Death too. Even if by Death, whos to say Vados does not have a way of killing Moon anyways?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^Vados does not have the necessary feats so far...

 

[Mister_Death]

^Vados does not have the necessary feats so far...

Vados is generally superior in almost every category, has confirmed reality warping abilities and moved around planet sized, super dense objects MFTL

A well placed speedblitz before SM has time to think can work out well, even if Vados has no answer to the time hacks.(even though its been implied she has an anti time travel barrier)

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Vados is generally superior in almost every category, has confirmed reality warping abilities and moved around planet sized, super dense objects MFTL

We don't know the density nor the mass of super dragon balls. Sailor Moon has hax like Soul Manipulation and Telepathy which Vados has no counter to for now

A well placed speedblitz before SM has time to think can work out well, even if Vados has no answer to the time hacks.(even though its been implied she has an anti time travel barrier)

Vados hasn't shown any anti time travel barrier, I suppose you're talking about the force field? That has nothing to do with anti time travel

 

[Mister_Death]

Vados is generally superior in almost every category, has confirmed reality warping abilities and moved around planet sized, super dense objects MFTL
We don't know the density nor the mass of super dragon balls. Sailor Moon has hax like Soul Manipulation and Telepathy which Vados has no counter to for now

A well placed speedblitz before SM has time to think can work out well, even if Vados has no answer to the time hacks.(even though its been implied she has an anti time travel barrier)

Vados hasn't shown any anti time travel barrier, I suppose you're talking about the force field? That has nothing to do with anti time travel

Its more implied, since those within whis' barrier upon earth's destruction were not affected by the warping of time

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^We dont assign hax based on mere implication, only after they're explained fully

 

[Dekoshu]

So, you're saying that Vados is generally superior to Sailor Moon, including actual physical strength and hand-to-hand combat?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

So, you're saying that Vados is generally superior to Sailor Moon, including actual physical strength and hand-to-hand combat?

Me?

 

[Dekoshu]

I was referring to Mister Death.

 

[Mister_Death]

So, you're saying that Vados is generally superior to Sailor Moon, including actual physical strength and hand-to-hand combat?

Definitely physical strength and h2h

By literal infinity

Universe shaking Physical strength(obviously superior to Beerus) and a master martial artist who can probably wreck beerus and champa in her sleep. vados being superior in every category literally besides Immortality and a time manipulation ability

 

[Dekoshu]

That's the thing. Whis and Vados themselves show you that "hax" or overwhelming miscellaneous abilities isn't all there is to be a godlike being and that they have to avoid dangerously overspecializing, and not avoiding physical attributes.

 

[Mister_Death]

That's the thing. Whis and Vados themselves show you that "hax" or overwhelming miscellaneous abilities isn't all there is to be a godlike being and that they have to avoid dangerously overspecializing, and not avoiding physical attributes.

I don't know what your trying to say or whether you agree with my thoughts or not because I'm confused. but to sum up my thoughts, I just think its odd to say SM wins for having one or two things up her sleeve. Vados is faster, has BFR, reality warping etc.. even if she isnt immune to the time thing, just like with whis,a speed blitz bfr should do the trick, atleast for now since people still use these guys in fights when for all we know they probably arent using their full power. who knows. Also I know it sounds silly, but could'nt vados just continuosly vaporize SM until she like gives up or something or loses her mind? idk (Im talking about the god immortality)

 

[Aurasuke]

Does anyone else think we need more feats for Vados?

Ppl keep speculating on her because they don't really know her power level.

 

[Aparajita]

Does anyone else think we need more feats for Vados?
Ppl keep speculating on her because they don't really know her power level.

Yup, like Saitama.