Upgrate for Mister Fantastic

[Elizio33]

Now that Mr. Fantastic has the power of Beyonders, I think it is worth to upgrade Mr. Fantastic at 2-A.

 

[Archangel283]

I agree.

Since he still has these powers, I feel as though his classification should be upgraded substantially.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Well considering the Beyonders are either 4-B or High 1-B...not sure where youre getting 2-A from...

 

[Archangel283]

Regardless, I think it should be done.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But to what? He's calling for an upgrade based on stats that dont exist

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Molecule Man was essentially letting Reed borrow his powers, but it is uncertain if this has lasted. I think that Franklin Richards was the one recreating the universes.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I agree with Ant. Fantastic wasn't the one fixing the universe. However, i am not convinced this means Fantastic doesn't scale . It is completely uncertain whether Franklin is at his normal levels in this occassion. No one, not even Doom wielding Beyonders' powers , which we rated as High 1-B, was even able to even slightly change the multiverse back to it's normal state . Franklin, after being resurrected, is capable of doing minimal portions . That kinda implies something very strange... Anyways ... We also need to note that Fantastic ( With Molecule Man's powers ) fought Doom ( With Beyonders' powers ) and managed to come out on top . So yeah... Mister Fantasic scales to Doom, but i am uncertain whether in this timeline whether Franklin changed in power or not.

It also makes sense from a story perspective, why Doom views Franklin closely compared to those of seemingly much higher levels of power. Since this is an alternate storyline, if that would be accepted, an new key would be required. Anyways... Someone using evidence within the " Secret Wars " Storyline ( not just opinion or stating it's ridiculous ) to prove Franklin wasn't implied at that level / was implied would be appreciated , as i do not have the resoruces to look this volume up, only based off of first hand reading .

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I'm afraid no one will answer... so ... bump

 

[Antvasima]

The Molecule Man absorbed the powers of the Beyonders, and then let Doom and Reed use him as a power source.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

bump because it'll get lost otherwise.

 

[Antvasima]

This is way too much wild speculation for such a massive upgrade, when all we have seen Franklin do is create single universes. These types of posts are starting to become a pattern for you, which is time-consuming for me and the rest of the staff.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I tend to type things things without thinking. Thinking about it in hindsight.... [ inwardly bashing myself harshly for overthinking ] It was god dang foolish . And no i'm not trying to waste your time, or anyones time to be honest. Just a guy whose completely ignorant about... well ... basically everything to do with debating... or maybe everything in general. Who knows ? I deleted it so no one has to see the fool i am , or the fool i will continue to become . And yes i tend to think this way when i bash myself. I feel like some the more i debate constantly, the more and more BEYONDERGOD's statement to me became clearer : " You are so much like me. " . Do i remind you of him, Ant ?

 

[Antvasima]

No, you do not, and he seems to have mostly moved on from us to focus on dinosaurs instead lately, which is good. I am extremely tired of feuding with him.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I shouldn't have mentioned him. Yeah... Bad call. Sorry about that.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.