UPGRADE ATTACK POTENCY 5B & 4B (GENSHIN IMPACT)

[Furina003]

Here I will direct several attack potency Upgrade for Genshin Impact.

FIRST, ATTACK POTENCY 5B

Narwhal is a whale that has traveled through the sea of stars. Neuvillette explains that the narwhal has absorbed all the energy of the primordial sea planet. When Paimon says that by defeating the whale he can undo the disaster that will befall Fontaine, Neuvillette refutes this by saying that the narwhal has absorbed too much energy from the primordial sea and has merged with the primordial sea, so even if Teyvat is destroyed, the whale will still survive and swim free to another world.

From this case we can conclude that the narwhal has durability strong enough to withstand attacks capable of destroying teyvat, this is because the narwhal has succeeded in absorbing all the primordial ocean energy on this planet, which means the narwhal's durability is at least at planetary level (5b), which allows him to survive if teryvat is destroyed.

THE DISCUSSION OF ATTACK POTENCY 5B

Childe and Neuvillette were able to fight with the narwhal and were able to cause fatal damage to the narwhal so that the narwhal fell and retreated back into the primordial sea. It was also explained that Childe had been fighting Narwhal for a long time. This means that Childe and Neuvillette's attacks were able to penetrate the narwhal's (5b) durability. So here Childe and Neuvilette at least get attack potential equivalent to Narwhal's Durability, namely at planetary level (5b)

Characters affected are:

1. Archons (morax, raiden and barbatos), because archons are definitely stronger than childe.

2. Fatui Harbingers, Childe is a level 11 Fatui Harbinger, meaning that all Fatui Harbingers ranked above Childe will be affected.

SECOND, ATTACK POTENCY 4B

Hexenzirkle wizards are able to create the imaginarium theater, a space that has a solar system in it. Wolfy explains that this space is a real fantasy. This means that what is in that space is something real.

We can see this also from the case of simulanka which was created in the same way by the same magician. Where when the traveler was asked which was more real, fiction in the outside world or reality in the simulanka, the traveler answered that both were real. From this we can conclude that the solar system inside the Imaginarium Theater there is a real solar system.
So here hexenzirkle at least gets solar system level attack potential (4b). because it is able to create an imaginary theater.

The characters affected by this scaling are the high god tier in Genshin Impact, because in Hexenzirkle there are people who are strong enough who might be said to be equivalent to archons.

Maybe that's enough for now, thank you

 

[Saqphire]

Well done with the arguments, there's even more stuff aswell such as the Genesis Crystals having enough energy to create a newborn star, the Geovishaps being foretold to be able to develop into dragons that can split the earth thanks to their Juvenile Jades, Guizhong creating the Realm of Clouds, which has a sun, and most likely more feats given the theme of the verse being celestial body based, showing that feats and statements of Tier 4-6 level isn't uncommon (and thus the whale being able to swallow stars and have planetary durability isn't an outlier). And the descriptions in the wiki that I'm talking about are extrapolated from the game itself so they should count as scans

 

[Furina003]

Well done with the arguments, there's even more stuff aswell such as the Genesis Crystals having enough energy to create a newborn star, the Geovishaps being foretold to be able to develop into dragons that can split the earth thanks to their Juvenile Jades, Guizhong creating the Realm of Clouds, which has a sun, and most likely more feats given the theme of the verse being celestial body based, showing that feats and statements of Tier 4-6 level isn't uncommon (and thus the whale being able to swallow stars and have planetary durability isn't an outlier). And the descriptions in the wiki that I'm talking about are extrapolated from the game itself so they should count as scans

Yes, in my opinion, Genshin should now be worthy of reaching tier 5-4 and Thank you for the information

 

[Giannysmag]

Narwhal is a whale that has traveled through the sea of stars.

Not an AP feat

Neuvillette explains that the narwhal has absorbed all the energy of the primordial sea planet. When Paimon says that by defeating the whale he can undo the disaster that will befall Fontaine, Neuvillette refutes this by saying that the narwhal has absorbed too much energy from the primordial sea and has merged with the primordial sea, so even if Teyvat is destroyed, the whale will still survive and swim free to another world.

Absorbing the Primordial Sea is unquantifiable but I'm 99% it wouldn't weild anything close to 5-B. As for it surviving Teyvat's destruction, that's around the low Tier 6 range because of inverse square law (basically the Narwhal would be taking only a tiny fraction of the total energy produced by Teyvat's destruction because of it's comparatively much smaller surface area)

Hexenzirkle wizards are able to create the imaginarium theater, a space that has a solar system in it. Wolfy explains that this space is a real fantasy. This means that what is in that space is something real.

We can see this also from the case of simulanka which was created in the same way by the same magician. Where when the traveler was asked which was more real, fiction in the outside world or reality in the simulanka, the traveler answered that both were real. From this we can conclude that the solar system inside the Imaginarium Theater there is a real solar system.
So here hexenzirkle at least gets solar system level attack potential (4b). because it is able to create an imaginary theater.

I'm not gonna get into whether the theater or simulanka are legit creation feats but I will mention that even if they were, they're creation can't be scaled to any other character since Genshin doesn't have a UES

Genesis Crystals having enough energy to create a newborn star

Scales to absolutely no one lmao

the Geovishaps being foretold to be able to develop into dragons that can split the earth thanks to their Juvenile Jades

Split the earth is definately just flowery language. Considering the "shake the mountains" part it probably just means they can create earthquakes that can also cause large fissures you know like how an earthquake does

Guizhong creating the Realm of Clouds

No UES, no scaling for creation feats. Also I'm pretty sure this was discussed and rejected before

and most likely more given the theme of the verse being celestial body based

Celestial bodies that are all fake mind you

So yea hard disagree with everything here

 

[Woomica]

Who saw my first thread and decided it was good idea to repeat it

 

[Furina003]

Absorbing the Primordial Sea is unquantifiable but I'm 99% it wouldn't weild anything close to 5-B. As for it surviving Teyvat's destruction, that's around the low Tier 6 range because of inverse square law (basically the Narwhal would be taking only a tiny fraction of the total energy produced by Teyvat's destruction because of it's comparatively much smaller surface area)

Didn't Neuvilette explain that he had absorbed all the energy from the primordial sea on the planet? that's why he went up to want to swallow the Fontaine people because in the bodies of the Fontaine people there was blood that came from the primordial water. if you think it's just a small continent level. When the teyvat is destroyed, the narwhal will also be destroyed because its durability will not be able to withstand this. Therefore, why the narwhal managed to survive the material is explained as something that is easy for the narwhal to survive because it has durability that is far above continental level. he had absorbed all the primordial energy and merged with it, so we could say he had planetary level durability.

I'm not gonna get into whether the theater or simulanka are legit creation feats but I will mention that even if they were, they're creation can't be scaled to any other character since Genshin doesn't have a UES

You should know that in Genshin there is such a thing as hierarchy. archons must be stronger than ordinary humans. Hezenzirkle are humans who have exceeded ordinary human understanding. and has power that can be said to be equivalent to an archon. This is enough to determine scaling in Genshin. because the genshin hierarchy is based on the power of the character.

 

[Saqphire]

I'll let Furina deal with the claims against his arguments, but I'll adress the ones against mine:

Genesis Crystals scaling to no one

Not the point I'm making, I'm using the statement to suppress any claims that a celestial body meta (aka 5-C to 4-B (technically up to 3-B but no one's arguing for that)) would be considered as outliers. Them scaling to anyone is another topic

Juvenile Jade statement being flowery because "shaking mountains ""probably"" means it makes earthquakes"

Based on what? This would be a claim who's burden would have to be substantiated with anti-feats against the aforemented dragons being able to split the earth and shake the mountains. Those two statements aren't a singular notion as the developed dragon from the Primo Geovishap can "shake the mountains" with earthquakes and split the Earth (Teyvat) separately

No UES, no scaling for creation feats. Also I'm pretty sure this was discussed and rejected before

A topic being discussed and rejected before =/= the topic can't be brought up again with newer/better argumentation. But if the UES was proven within Genshin in a CRT, would the creation feats then be considered valid, is that what you're saying?

Celestial bodies that are all fake mind you

Why are they fake? This is yet another unsubstantiated claim

 

[Woomica]

I'll let Furina deal with the claims against his arguments, but I'll adress the ones against mine:


Not the point I'm making, I'm using the statement to suppress any claims that a celestial body meta (aka 5-C to 4-B (technically up to 3-B but no one's arguing for that)) would be considered as outliers. Them scaling to anyone is another topic

I dont understand a thing here

Based on what? This would be a claim who's burden would have to be substantiated with anti-feats against the aforemented dragons being able to split the earth and shake the mountains. Those two statements aren't a singular notion as the developed dragon from the Primo Geovishap can "shake the mountains" with earthquakes and split the Earth (Teyvat) separately

earth doesnt always refer to a literal planet earth, youd have to prove he can split ENTIRE Earth.

A topic being discussed and rejected before =/= the topic can't be brought up again with newer/better argumentation. But if the UES was proven within Genshin in a CRT, would the creation feats then be considered valid, is that what you're saying?

It would but i doubt that because the only thing remotely close to being actual UES is elemental energy, and we dont know what kind of power is used to make simulanka

Why are they fake? This is yet another unsubstantiated claim

Tell me you dont read without telling me you dont read (you litteraly have whole ass 1.1 event quest and RECENT 5.1 archon quest)

 

[Woomica]

Here are all mentions of sky (celestial bodies) being fake
Scara 1.1 event
5.1 archon quest

 

[Furina003]

Here are all mentions of sky (celestial bodies) being fake
Scara 1.1 event
5.1 archon quest

Don't immediately claim that the fake sky is just a dome depicting the sky, that's not clear. if the fake sky was just a dome. Travelers from outside the world should already know that the Teyvat sky is fake. and in teyvat there will be no such thing as a night and day cycle.

 

[Furina003]

Who saw my first thread and decided it was good idea to repeat it

It means?

 

[Woomica]

Don't immediately claim that the fake sky is just a dome depicting the sky, that's not clear. if the fake sky was just a dome. Travelers from outside the world should already know that the Teyvat sky is fake. and in teyvat there will be no such thing as a night and day cycle.

Whatever that means...it doesnt support 4-B feat and even if just the sun was real that would not get any higher than 4-C/High 4-C which would again scale to nobody

 

[Giannysmag]

Didn't Neuvilette explain that he had absorbed all the energy from the primordial sea on the planet?

He says it absorbed the planet's Primordial Sea bu that does just because the word planet is used doesn't make it a planetery feat

that's why he went up to want to swallow the Fontaine people because in the bodies of the Fontaine people there was blood that came from the primordial water. if you think it's just a small continent level. When the teyvat is destroyed, the narwhal will also be destroyed because its durability will not be able to withstand this. Therefore, why the narwhal managed to survive the material is explained as something that is easy for the narwhal to survive because it has durability that is far above continental level. he had absorbed all the primordial energy and merged with it, so we could say he had planetary level durability.

And like I said because if Inverse Square law the amount of energy the Narwhal would take is way smaller than the total energy of the destruction so it still wouldn't be anywhere near a 5-B feat

You should know that in Genshin there is such a thing as hierarchy. archons must be stronger than ordinary humans. Hezenzirkle are humans who have exceeded ordinary human understanding. and has power that can be said to be equivalent to an archon. This is enough to determine scaling in Genshin. because the genshin hierarchy is based on the power of the character.

We already have numerous human characters that are at or above Archon level but more importantly the hierarchy doesn't matter here because there is no UES in Genshin meaning the amount of energy the witch's creation magic expends can only be used with that form of magic and non of there actual attacks, thus it wouldn't scale to anyone either way

Not the point I'm making, I'm using the statement to suppress any claims that a celestial body meta (aka 5-C to 4-B (technically up to 3-B but no one's arguing for that)) would be considered as outliers. Them scaling to anyone is another topic

You can't use it to astablish a meta since litera

Based on what? This would be a claim who's burden would have to be substantiated with anti-feats against the aforemented dragons being able to split the earth and shake the mountains. Those two statements aren't a singular notion as the developed dragon from the Primo Geovishap can "shake the mountains" with earthquakes and split the Earth (Teyvat) separately

You know that earth also refers to the ground right? Not just the planet. And splitting the earth as in splitting the ground with an earthquake makes a lot more sense than splitting the planet

A topic being discussed and rejected before =/= the topic can't be brought up again with newer/better argumentation. But if the UES was proven within Genshin in a CRT, would the creation feats then be considered valid, is that what you're saying?

Maybe but you'd have to prove that first

Why are they fake? This is yet another unsubstantiated claim

Literally just read the lore

 

[Furina003]

Whatever that means...it doesnt support 4-B feat and even if just the sun was real that would not get any higher than 4-C/High 4-C which would again scale to nobody

I haven't brought that up in my thread, what I'm discussing is Imaginarium Theater.

btw why can't it be scaled to other characters? If Guizhong alone can create that, Morax which is much stronger than Guizhong must have a tier that is at least the same as Guizhong.

 

[Giannysmag]

I haven't brought that up in my thread, what I'm discussing is Imaginarium Theater.

btw why can't it be scaled to other characters? If Guizhong alone can create that, Morax which is much stronger than Guizhong must have a tier that is at least the same as Guizhong.

Maybe you can get a 4-C with creation or smth fro Morax since he can also create realms but it would never scale to their actual attacks because of no UES

 

[Mongus_Congus]

Why do i have a feeling that a certain Durin glazer had a role here

 

[Giannysmag]

Why do i have a feeling that a certain Durin glazer had a role here

Nah if Puppet is one thing he is original in his wank. While these scrubs are using the same old arguaments to try and reach Tier 5-4, Puppet has already trancended and through the dark twisted machinations of his mind has spurred forth 2-C Nahida

 

[Furina003]

He says it absorbed the planet's Primordial Sea bu that does just because the word planet is used doesn't make it a planetery feat

And like I said because if Inverse Square law the amount of energy the Narwhal would take is way smaller than the total energy of the destruction so it still wouldn't be anywhere near a 5-B feat

We already have numerous human characters that are at or above Archon level but more importantly the hierarchy doesn't matter here because there is no UES in Genshin meaning the amount of energy the witch's creation magic expends can only be used with that form of magic and non of there actual attacks, thus it wouldn't scale to anyone either way

Neuvilette had mentioned absorbing all energy. and this is clearly a literal planet. Skirk even mentions that raising narwhals uses the primordial water of a planet. I'm still confused as to why this didn't get the planetary level .
why you use inverted quadrants here?can you explain it in more detail, if something can destroy teyvat it will definitely get continent level. and narwhals are able to survive this. which means the durability of the narwhal is definitely more than continent level.
yes, I mean like this. In Genshin, their hierarchy is based on their power. The archon was definitely stronger than humans. even the power of vision used by humans comes from a small portion of the archon energy given to humans. and hexenzirkle are special humans. as explained by Dain, they are people who have surpassed human understanding who have power capable of crushing the world. From this at least their hierarchy can be said to be equivalent to the archons because they have surpassed ordinary humans. This is the same as when we, for example, use the Raiden Shogun's achievements, then we use these achievements to create a Morax profile because the Shogun and Morax are both archons.

 

[Furina003]

Maybe you can get a 4-C with creation or smth fro Morax since he can also create realms but it would never scale to their actual attacks because of no UES

if morax gets 4c, wouldn't the other archons also get 4c?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Teyvat is stated to be a continent, not a world so I don't think the 5-B part would work. tier 4 seems rather solid; though one thing you didn't mention is Genshin's Universal Energy System, I thoroughly explained it here a while back so it might be useful to be put onto the OP.

Also, the Imaginarium Threatre has a starry sky so it can scale to this calc, thus it should be 4-A instead of 4-B.

 

[Giannysmag]

Neuvilette had mentioned absorbing all energy. and this is clearly a literal planet. Skirk even mentions that raising narwhals uses the primordial water of a planet. I'm still confused as to why this didn't get the planetary level .

The fact that this is the planets Primordial Sea does not make it planet level. Something being on a planet or of a planet does not scale that thing to the planet

why you use inverted quadrants here?can you explain it in more detail, if something can destroy teyvat it will definitely get continent level. and narwhals are able to survive this. which means the durability of the narwhal is definitely more than continent level.

The Narwhal would survive the destruction of Teyvat. This doesn't mean that it can survive someone who can destroy Teyvat but rather the destruction itself. Now the most generous interpretation of destruction would be Teyvat getting blown up in which case the Narwhal would only be talking a tiny portion of the explosion because it's surface area is much smaller than Teyvat itself

 

[Woomica]

Teyvat is stated to be a continent, not a world so I don't think the 5-B part would work. tier 4 seems rather solid; though one thing you didn't mention is Genshin's Universal Energy System, I thoroughly explained it here a while back so it might be useful to be put onto the OP.

Teyvat is stated to be both continent and planet so...both

Also, the Imaginarium Threatre has a starry sky so it can scale to this calc, thus it should be 4-A instead of 4-B.

Grrr no 4-B grrrr grr grr no 4-A grrr

 

[Furina003]

Teyvat is stated to be a continent, not a world so I don't think the 5-B part would work. tier 4 seems rather solid; though one thing you didn't mention is Genshin's Universal Energy System, I thoroughly explained it here a while back so it might be useful to be put onto the OP.

Also, the Imaginarium Threatre has a starry sky so it can scale to this calc, thus it should be 4-A instead of 4-B.

so should I revise it first and repost or what?

 

[GarrixianXD]

so should I revise it first and repost or what?

Yeah, you can revise your OP.

 

[Furina003]

Yeah, you can revise your OP.

OK, I'll revise it. Thank you for the information

 

[Furina003]

The fact that this is the planets Primordial Sea does not make it planet level. Something being on a planet or of a planet does not scale that thing to the planet

The Narwhal would survive the destruction of Teyvat. This doesn't mean that it can survive someone who can destroy Teyvat but rather the destruction itself. Now the most generous interpretation of destruction would be Teyvat getting blown up in which case the Narwhal would only be talking a tiny portion of the explosion because it's surface area is much smaller than Teyvat itself

okay I understand. Thank you for the information. I will revise this first

 

[Voidnether]

Also, the Imaginarium Threatre has a starry sky so it can scale to this calc, thus it should be 4-A instead of 4-B.

Would this even scale to anyone since it's a creation feat?

 

[Woomica]

Would this even scale to anyone since it's a creation feat?

No one other than hexenidontknowhowtospellit

 

[Voidnether]

No one other than hexenidontknowhowtospellit

Nonexistent profiles goes so hard

 

[Furina003]

Nonexistent profiles goes so hard

the element is ues . All Genshin characters use elemental powers. and maybe this will upgrade to some characters. I will revise it first

 

[Woomica]

Just sayin that we dont even know how they created these spaces nor if they made it instantly or overtime but sure
if ben10 can have tier 5 with most ass anti feats then why not tier 4 genshin

 

[Furina003]

Just sayin that we dont even know how they created these spaces nor if they made it instantly or overtime but sure
if ben10 can have tier 5 with most ass anti feats then why not tier 4 genshin

they make it by writing it and then making it happen

 

[Mongus_Congus]

@Furina003 btw when you make a thread you can add tags below like 'Genshin Impact' so that when people go to the discussion page of the verse they can find your post

 

[Furina003]

]@Furina003[/USER] btw when you make a thread you can add tags below like 'Genshin Impact' so that when people go to the discussion page of the verse they can find your post

is that allowed?

 

[Mongus_Congus]

Yeah ofc, i mean i didn't get in any trouble lol

 

[Woomica]

they make it by writing it and then making it happen

That sounds very reality warping

 

[Woomica]

Bump

 

[Furina003]

That sounds very reality warping

It not Reality warping. Because alice create imaginarium theater form the nothingness. Not warp the reality

 

[Furina003]

Bump

Do you think I should just edit this thread, or should I create a new thread? because I want to add some as mentioned by garrixian

 

[Woomica]

Do you think I should just edit this thread, or should I create a new thread? because I want to add some as mentioned by garrixian

Edit it