Updating Ganondorfs profile

[Dust_Collector]

Ganons profile is rather meh atm. Not a whole lot of links that justify his more powerful abilities, several missing abilities, abilities on his profile that he either doesn't have or only has for certain incarnations of himself, lackluster intelligence justifications, etc...

This is my proposed update for his profile. (Ignore everything after the Others section).

It's not the most drastic change proposed for a profile, but it focuses mostly on better indexing his abilities, adding links to show where they came from, and making multiple tabs to split up his abilities accordingly. I've also expanded on his intelligence beyond the barebones "skilled manipulator and planner" by adding in examples of his intelligence. I added 3 new keys in the form of Pre-Triforce of Power Ganondorf, FSA Ganon, and Calamity Ganon. FSA Ganon I feel should be his own profile but in the past I saw a few people think he should just be a key, if the majority decides it I can easily remove the key from the profile and make a new page for FSA Ganon later. The Pre-Triforce of Power Ganon might also be unnecessary, but again I'll let the majority decide on whether or not that key is needed or not.

 

[TriforcePower1]

As I already said, this is fine.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I agree with updating the profile and with making FSA Ganon a separate page.

Base Ganon (or Pre ToP) is also something that should be required since this is an indexing site and because it shows all the powers that the ToP gives, which is important imo.

 

[Eficiente]

Nice work here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

FSA Ganon is fine where he is given its Ganon just reincarnated after he died in ToP.

 

[Warren_Valion]

FSA Ganon is fine where he is given its Ganon just reincarnated after he died in ToP.

WIth that logic, all Link's should share one profile because its just the same guy but reincarnated.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This seems legit, but what's the reason for FSA Ganon having his own profile? If they're the same character, then I'd prefer he'd just be another key.

 

[Warren_Valion]

This seems legit, but what's the reason for FSA Ganon having his own profile? If they're the same character, then I'd prefer he'd just be another key.

FSA Ganon is a different Ganon than the one born in Ocarina of Time.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Hmm okay, I don't remember that being stated anywhere, but I guess it's fine if that's true.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Hmm okay, I don't remember that being stated anywhere, but I guess it's fine if that's true.

Ganon in that timeline died, remember?

FSA is Ganon reborn.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I know that, but being reborn doesn't automatically make you a different character.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I know that, but being reborn doesn't automatically make you a different character.

There two different people - with different lives, abilites, and experiences.

Using this logic - every single Link profile should just be keys, and not separate pages.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Completely different topic and a strawman. Those Links are literal ancestors and descendants of one another. And/or similar to what happens to the Avatar; making them different characters. But what scan suggests he had a different essence or soul?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Completely different topic and a strawman. Those Links are literal ancestors and descendants of one another. And/or similar to what happens to the Avatar; making them different characters. But what scan suggests he had a different essence or soul?

What are you talking about? It isn't different at all.

The thing that binds every Link together is that they share the same soul. None of them have a different soul. And they aren't all related - most of them aren't related. Look at Toon Link for instance.

The only Triforce members who are literal ancestors and descendents of one another is Zelda.


Demise's curse follows the spirit of the hero and bloodline of the Princess.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not arguing against FSA being a different Ganon, it's just way the wording was what I was curious about. And the strawman of me suggesting we make Link have a bunch of keys thus cluttering the profile was unnecessary.

I know not all Links are related but some of them are. And I played Four Swords Adventure, but I just didn't remember it outright confirming him the same way as Link. And he usually either resurrects or breaks out of a seal.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I'm not arguing against FSA being a different Ganon, it's just way the wording was what I was curious about. And the strawman of me suggesting we make Link have a bunch of keys thus cluttering the profile was unnecessary.
I know not all Links are related but some of them are. And I played Four Swords Adventure, but I just didn't remember it outright confirming him the same way as Link. And he usually just resurrects.

Ganon usaully just doesn't die, tbf.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I know not all Links are related but some of them are. And I played Four Swords Adventure, but I just didn't remember it outright confirming him the same way as Link.

The game itself doesn't flat out say he's a reincarnation (Although his backstory would sugget he's a different Ganon), but the Hyrule Historia confirms that he is indeed a new Ganondorf born again after the death of TP Ganondorf.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Really nice work, I totally agree with the updating.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

As in, was reborn as a baby and restarted life?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Pretty much. He didn't even have memories of his past life, too.

 

[TriforcePower1]

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Ah, I see. Then FSA Ganon should have his own profile then.

 

[Dust_Collector]

So it's looking like the majority are agreeing with making FSA Ganon his own thing, easy enough thing to do. I'll wait for a bit more input about my proposed revamp (I just asked Azzy if he can check it out) and I'll likely apply the changes later today.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Keep in mind that the 4-B ratings are going to be revised given our rules for pocket reality feats that it would just be At least High 4-C.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I see, an easy change to make then.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I've just kinda glanced through this, but it seems mostly fine? Taking into account what DDM mentioned, of course.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Thanks for the input. So basically, change 4-B to at least High 4-C and remove the FSA Ganon key to make him his own profile, easy peasy.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Also someone should make a thread about the 4-B to High 4-C stuff so we can properly sort out all the Zelda profiles that scale to it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I might sometime tomorrow perhaps.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I'm also fine for FSA Ganon to have a separate page.

Would the fact that Earth is at the center of the Sacred Realm make the AP value for High 4-C slightly higher than it was before? Because otherwise we would just end up scaling it up from Zant.

 

[Dust_Collector]

The changes have been made, I'll make the FSA Ganon profile later today. I wasn't sure if I should remove his matches or not so I just left them in for the time being.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I made the thread for Triforce users.