Update Yusuke Urameshi to Tier 5-A: Large Planet level

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Alright who the hell in the right mind placed Yusuke at Tier 6-B: Country level? Do you fools even watch the anime or read the manga?! S-Class beings even the lowest one's strength are stated to be so powerful they could completely devastate the entire planet which was confirmed by Sensui! Genkai even stated if Yusuke wanted, he could obliterate the entire world, and she can't stop him because his destruction is greater than everyone else. How could you have missed out this beautiful detail?!

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Don't act so hostile first off, it's only gonna turn people off from the idea of discussing anything.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Don't act so hostile first off, it's only gonna turn people off from the idea of discussing anything.

Sorry.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

1. The hostility isnt necessary

2. Destroying the world doesnt always equate to planet busting

3. Even if you WERE to take those statements literally, the best it would put him at is 5-B, not 5-A

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

But ya to have a point, the second panel does imply hes above country busting so at the keast theres that.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

At the very least at least 6-B seems completely fine going off that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, there's a rule against upgrading YYH characters with this argument

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

But ya to have a point, the second panel does imply hes above country busting so at the keast theres that.

Sensui was afraid of destroying the planet when he was only using 1/5 of his power, that's why he decided to move to the Demon World in the first place, Yusuke is stronger than him at full power. Genkai stated Yusuke's destruction is greater than everyone's else which foreshadows current Yusuke now being the strongest character in Yu Yu Hakusho. Yusuke is easily planet level. Need more prove? Raizen in his prime caused the entire planet to shake when he powered up. Yusuke is greater than that.

 

[Gemmysaur]

City-busters can devastate the planet given enough time though.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Prime Raizen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yusuke at his absolute strongest though.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

1. The hostility isnt necessary
2. Destroying the world doesnt always equate to planet busting

3. Even if you WERE to take those statements literally, the best it would put him at is 5-B, not 5-A

World means planet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Need more prove? Raizen in his prime caused the entire planet to shake when he powered up. Yusuke is greater than that.

Thats a 6-C feat

 

[Gemmysaur]

Not what Weekly meant. You don't need to be planet level to devastate the planet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Discussion Rules - Don't try to level up Yu Yu Hakusho to casual planet busters, as this has also previously been discussed over and over and has turned redundant.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well from the left scan he says he can't use too much power or he'll cause to much stress on the planet. Now since he's shaking the walls of the cave I'll assume he means if he used all his power the entire Planet will crumble apart.

I cannot see the right scan clearly.

As stated destroying the World doesn't always mean destroying the Planet but if it's in a verse with Planet Level Characters and said character they are referring to is comparable to said Planet Level characters then you can assume they mean Planet Busting.

Are their any solid Planet Level feats or other clear statements?, Cause you could claim this is an outlier if the verse has nowhere near planet level showings.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Need more prove? Raizen in his prime caused the entire planet to shake when he powered up. Yusuke is greater than that.

Thats a High 6-C feat

We don't know how much he powered up though, 1/5 of Sensui's power was bringing doom to the planet. With that being said, Prime Raizen was using even less power.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Lets ignore the planet thing, that seems like a case of hyperbole but let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Would the second page not bump YYH up to at least 6-B?

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Well from the left scan he says he can't use too much power or he'll cause to much stress on the planet. Now since he's shaking the walls of the cave I'll assume he means if he used all his power the entire Planet will crumble apart.
I cannot see the right scan clearly.

As stated destroying the World doesn't always mean destroying the Planet but if it's in a verse with Planet Level Characters and said character they are referring to is comparable to said Planet Level characters then you can assume they mean Planet Busting.

Are their any solid Planet Level feats or other clear statements?, Cause you could claim this is an outlier if the verse has nowhere near planet level showings.

How is it an outlier? Goku being universe level is an outlier because he never shown the ability to destroy an universe? Cause that's what you are refering to right now.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Does the verse have any Planet Level feats or clear Statements?.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku had a new form. And universal power has been discussed ever since.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

He fought someone who can and a direct clash with Beerus was effecting the entire universe, multiple times and another clash caused a universe sized energy explosion that Beerus nulled. He has showings but let's try not to bring other media into this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@LordGriffin The best feats for the verse are Country level

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Does the verse have any Planet Level feats or clear Statements?.

Here I made it very big for you to read it now.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Don't bring Goku here please unlike in YYH Goku has a feat that's 3-B and has a transformation with Kaioken plus training. We can make the assume he's a universe buster.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'm not gonna debate the planet thing but the scan there implies Yusuke>country busters. If that happens after the country feats I personally believe at least 6-B is acceptable and fair, anything higher seems iffy.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Now I can read the scan clearly, still tho Obliterating the World doesn't equal Planet Busting especially if the Verse isn't filled with Planet Level Characters or even Moon Level Characters.

With no feat, one statement about shaking apart the planet and another saying he can Obliterate the World is not enough to upgrade them but that's my opinion.

If that's enough for everyone else I won't object.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

Now I can read the scan clearly, still tho Obliterating the World doesn't equal Planet Busting especially if the Verse isn't filled with Planet Level Characters or even Moon Level Characters.
With no feat, one statement about shaking apart the planet and another saying he can Obliterate the World is not enough to upgrade them but that's my opinion.

If that's enough for everyone else I won't object.

What about this?

 

[Joseph619]

By this logic Whitebeard is also a planet buster. So nope

 

[LordGriffin1000]

That still says world and again World doesn't always equal Planet.

When people say World it doesn't instantly mean Planet Level, destroying the world could just be destroying all Life on the planet and all cities leaving nothing but a dead planet.

If the YYH Verse had Moon Busters then I might agree but if they only show Country Level (even if it's casual) we can't just bump them to Planet Level because of Statements that don't specifically say they will blow up the planet.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

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LordGriffin1000"]
That still says world and again World doesn't always equal Planet.
When people say World it doesn't instantly mean Planet Level, destroying the world could just be destroying all Life on the planet and all cities leaving nothing but a dead planet.

If the YYH Verse had Moon Busters then I might agree but if they only show Country Level (even if it's casual) we can't just bump them to Planet Level because of Statements that don't specifically say they will blow up the planet.

This.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

More planet level feats.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's...not a feat, no offense.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I see no feats. I just see statements in a Verse that doesn't reach near those levels of power.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The scan that says Obliterate Humanity doesn't mean they can Planet Bust. It just means they will kill all humans and with their level of power of course they can do that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

A tier 7 can easily wipe out humanity. Maybe even a tier 8.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Anyway, analyzing each statement:

"It'd cause too much stress to the planet" isn't Planet level. A Country level can do it.

"If you decided you were sick of this world and wanted to obliterate it" is too vague and relies on speculation. A 6-B could quickly wipe out all life on Earth.

"You want to destroy the world". So I guess every villain who wants to destroy the Universe is 3-A, regardless of methods, timeframe, and story context.

"My plan is to obliterate humanity". That's not even 6-A.

On further analysis, YYH lacks even clear-cut 5-B statements, let alone feats.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

So can this be closed now?, since Matthew quickly cleared everything up I don't see a point in keeping this open unless there is a clear Statement or an actual Feat.

 

[XSegaTeamPhilosophyX]

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Again that doesn't mean that this person will Blow up the Planet.

 

[LordGinSama]

At least 6-B seems reasonable like Griffin suggested. However I'd like to see the calc that puts YYH at only country level. You'd assume they'd at least be continent to large continent level.