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UNIVERSAL FIRE FORCE BAYBE
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PrinceofPein
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Soon
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It's definitely not time yet since there's still plenty of stuff the OP needs to account for updating and this part is coming from me but there is a sandbox that I believe should be added and updated through the course of this as it contains multiple character profiles that we could work on building up with scans and abilities ad they're barebones and there's a new calc to further support ratings, and I'd say it's probably best to go for a 4-C rating as a compromise for shinra via him complete changing the sun as Shinrabanshamon.
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I don't mind personally helping create profiles and gathering scans when I can over the course of this
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Shinra altering the appearance of the Sun doesn't really seem like an Attack Potency feat in all honesty.
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Yeah, it's Transmution hax
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Happened when he did the kick that reshaped the entire world as the sun wasn't warped prior even during the black sun earth and this is just for a compromise if the OP can't build a strong enough arguement for universal
And it'd still be a range update that's significant
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Anywho with that being said here's the sandbox covering many characters, it requires loads of work
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And here's the new calc that's been accepted for shinra's moon kick prior to him becoming shinra banshamon which I believe at the very shows is shinra could at least be in line for a possibly 4-C if not outright as he can reshape the sun and world all at once and is clearly immeasurably stronger than before
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And here's the new calc that's been accepted for shinra's moon kick prior to him becoming shinra banshamon which I believe at the very shows is shinra could at least be in line for a possibly 4-C if not outright as he can reshape the sun and world all at once and is clearly immeasurably stronger than before
Fire Force Madness Moon
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Basically no, but Death may gain a couple new abilities.
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Yes
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Maybe Soul Eater will get a One-Shot when Fire Force is over
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that'd be dope as hell then boom moon scaling 5-A soul eater lol
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question will the dopplegangers be receiving their own profiles?
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they should just be given keys on the regular characters
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I'd say it would be a case-by-case scenario tbh.
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okay that's fine so in the case of say Shinra it should be a key since he swapped places with his doppelganger for 3 months while someone like benimaru fought a doppelganger who was a entirely separate physical person so it'd probably need its own profile?
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Commenting because I've been asked to.
This section also claims that Sho's ability is affecting the entire universe. This is incorrect as Sho clarifies that he's doing it on a local scale, stopping the time around him, and doesn't claim to be stopping time on a universal scale.
I disagree with universal FF based on the arguments provided. The entire context of the final fight in FF was that Haumea wanted to turn the earth into a sun-like star, which to me is fairly blatant on what the scale and scope of the god tier characters is supposed to be.
Regarding the tier 4 arguments,
-Stars turned cartoony
-The earth was turned into a sun-like star
Others already mentioned how transforming the stars into cartoon stars is transmutation hax and not inherently AP. Turning the earth into a star with sun-like properties isn't as impressive as one may think either. Tmk the earth doesn't grow to the size of the sun, but rather becomes a mini sun that is earth sized (if I'm misremembering that please let me know). The GBE of a earth-sized sun would actually be less than the GBE of earth due to the average density of the sun being less than the average density of earth. So, I'm not buying tier 4 SBM either.
In this section, the word "countless" is used as justification for a literal infinite sized adolla realm. I'd disagree with the notion that countless has to refer to literal infinite flames and thus a literal infinite space. Rather words like countless, infinite, endless, etc are recognized in their own definitions to not inherently be literal in every scenario. Aka said words can be used to simply describe a quantity so vast it's hard to comprehend, rather than being hyper literal. Furthermore, Sho is not an infallible character, meaning he can be incorrect, and perhaps the realm merely appears to be that expansive (which the OP acknowledges as they say that the visual depiction makes it seem to be very large).
This section also claims that Sho's ability is affecting the entire universe. This is incorrect as Sho clarifies that he's doing it on a local scale, stopping the time around him, and doesn't claim to be stopping time on a universal scale.
This section just says that SBM terraforming the adolla realm is universal because the realm is that large. I don't think the evidence supporting universal adolla realm through Sho is concrete to begin with as I explained above.
I disagree with universal FF based on the arguments provided. The entire context of the final fight in FF was that Haumea wanted to turn the earth into a sun-like star, which to me is fairly blatant on what the scale and scope of the god tier characters is supposed to be.
Regarding the tier 4 arguments,
-Stars turned cartoony
-The earth was turned into a sun-like star
Others already mentioned how transforming the stars into cartoon stars is transmutation hax and not inherently AP. Turning the earth into a star with sun-like properties isn't as impressive as one may think either. Tmk the earth doesn't grow to the size of the sun, but rather becomes a mini sun that is earth sized (if I'm misremembering that please let me know). The GBE of a earth-sized sun would actually be less than the GBE of earth due to the average density of the sun being less than the average density of earth. So, I'm not buying tier 4 SBM either.
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Also this may be controversial but I'll just post it now since it occurred to me; since we are indisputably in the world of Soul Eater, then the Moon in the Great Cataclysm arc which Faerie lowers towards the ground is the same small Moon in Soul Eater, which is obviously much smaller than our own Moon.
In Soul Eater, this small Moon can actually be flown to inside the atmosphere - and now we have an explanation for how that is possible in the first place. Faerie moved it there.
So calcs which involve that same Moon can't be using our IRL Moon's size.
In Soul Eater, this small Moon can actually be flown to inside the atmosphere - and now we have an explanation for how that is possible in the first place. Faerie moved it there.
So calcs which involve that same Moon can't be using our IRL Moon's size.
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thanks for the input so i'd say then "at least 5-A" for Shinra banshamon
also do you all think these keys would work for a revised shinra profile:
Keys: Introduction Arc - Stigma Arc | Obi Rescue Arc | Doppelganger | Asakusa Showdown - Final Pillar Arc| Great Cataclysm Arc | Shinra Banshamon
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eh idk I'd say this is more relevant than the previous one since its the authors current interpretation of the size of the moon and doesn't make note of it drastically shrinking at all just the appearance being changed
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At least whatever he's scaling above, rating isn't locked down yet
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Fair enough since we have this current discussion about the moon now
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Shinra Kicks the Moon Calc
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I agree with Damage's observations.
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I’m Neutral.
What about the power to affect irrational numbers like PI I wonder where that scales to
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Won’t this also be conceptual manipulation? As changing π will effectively change all participation of circleness?
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Shinra would already get conceptual manip for changing the literally concept of death and personifying it so it'd fit
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Yup definitely sounds like type 1 concept manip
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That’s a reality warping feat
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Yeah ik that's why that was a possibly type rating proposal
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Anyway I don’t think bunk doppelgängers should get a profile
OR key as they are literal equal of their counterpart and also they don’t have any new ability that should warrant a key
OR key as they are literal equal of their counterpart and also they don’t have any new ability that should warrant a key
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So then how do you feel about this
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PrinceofPein
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Merging the final and great cataclysm together they are not really different
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So then seperate the asakusa showdown because shinra emerges and performs the 5-A feat during the great cataclysm arc which I'm sure ya know
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Well I am trying to find other feats the lower tiers and mid tiers can scale to
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