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[EinelRendezvous]

First we'll talk about who is Shinrabanshoman and Adolla's Realm.

• All scans can be viewed here.

What is Shinrabanshoman?
Shinrabanshoman is the embodiment of Adolla. He possesses and derives the power of "all creation" or everything. In chapter 298, Shinrabanshoman gains the full power of Adolla. Shinrabanshoman is a Shinra who has acquired the Uncollective Unconscious power which is the true form of Adolla. Adolla is a realm from a higher dimension that command over everything. That's why Shinra is said to have the power of "All Creation" because he is the incarnation of Adolla.

What Is Adolla and How Big It Is In Size and Dimensions?
In chapter 80, it is specifically explained that Shinra could see a strange "scenario" with innumerable black earth filled with fire using Adolla Link. Sho explains that Adolla's powers can interfere with anything. If bringing another translated version with a more accurate translation, Sho explained that the realm of Adolla is a place with a bizzare landscape where there are countless fires. This confirmed the vastness of Adolla's realm with the space of Countless Space or at least the equivalent of the Universal Scale.

Quoting raw kanji from Sho and Shinra's conversation. This is further emphasized about the extent of the realm of Adolla.

景色 = Landscape = Area of Place that can be seen by the Eyes
無数炎 = Countless Fire / Innumerable Fire

Based on this snippet it can be seen that Adolla is a realm with a strange landscape in which there is a black earth burning with Countless Fires within it. This Countless Fire can be likened to "Endless" because Adolla's realm visually seems to have no end and it's space is constantly expanding with black flames.

凡ゆる = All
物 = Thing/Object
干渉 = Interfere

He also uses the auxiliary word に which means "to be in charge" which can also be interpreted as controlling or manipulating everything. It was further confirmed that the realm they were talking about was called Adolla. Adolla is a different world and is "hell."

Sho explains that he can affect everything thanks to the Divine Protection of The Preacher/The Evangelist. The Preacher/The Evangelist is the embodiment of Adolla besides Shinrabanshoman. So Sho's power can affect everything because it is obtained from the direct embodiment of Adolla. This also confirms Sho's previous words with evidence. Sho's ability is "fire control" which scales to being able to manipulate the flames of the universe. This proves that Adolla's own reach is on par with the universe as Sho's timestop can reach Universe's Entropy.

Litch then explains that Sho's ability is to interfere with the heat of entropy of the Universe so that he can stop 'time' because time corresponds to the expansion of the universe that comes from Entropy. In chapter 129, the Joker explains that Adolla is an existence from a Higher Dimension. It's also logical because Adolla's powers can affect "time" just like Sho does for time-stopping. And, Adolla can also manipulate everything. This proves that Adolla is an extradimensional 4D space.

In short:

- Adolla Realm has a lenght of Countless Space and it's own time dimension by scaling to Sho's ability which interfere the Universe's time by Adolla's power.

- Adolla Realm has a range that reach of 4D Universe (The temporal dimension) because it grants the power that can interfere with time, mathematics, and law itself. The best example is Shinra that can turnbacks in time because of Adolla who grant him faster than light speed, Sho who can stop the entropy of Universe including it's universe time so he can stop time, and many more.

Shinrabanshoman's Power Capable to Recreating the Adolla Realm itself with low-efforts.

• All of related scans can be viewed here.

The final battle takes place inside Adolla. Namely the world of perception that can manifest everything and is a realm called "Hell." In chapter 286 before the fight starts, Shinra invites Sho to go inside Adolla and stop the apocalypse on Earth. Successfully entering the dimension, Sho confirms that the "space" they entered is the same space when they were connected by Adolla Link (which can be checked in chapter 80).

After that the battle start and took place in the realm of Adolla. Taking place from chapter 297 to chapter 299, Shinra easily creates anything and changes the entire structure of the Adolla Realm. In fact, Shinra confirmed that his power can also give birth to not just destruction. The climax shows that Shinra is able to influence the entire Adolla Realm until civilization and a beautiful world occur there. This change in Adolla Realm also has a good effect on Earth, thereby stopping the apocalypse there. Haumea confirmed that Shinra reformed all creation within Adolla. This proves that Shinra can influence and destroy and recreate Adolla as he pleases.

Conclusion:

- Shinrabanshoman gets the power of Everything where this power makes him free to manipulate anything in Adolla Realm. Including destroying or re-creating so that he is called the Haumea Evangelist as the real God.

- Shinrabanshoman is the embodiment of Adolla Realm. Adolla Realm has an countless area with black flames burning all over it's surface. It's range itself is equivalent to that of the Universe because Sho has a pyrokinesis range that is capable of disrupting the entropy of the universe.

- Giving Shinra, and Sho new key that is “Shinrabanshoman” because Shinrabanshoman is an entity that combine Shinra, Sho, and their mother. (Chapter 296).

Tier for Shinrabanshoman:

Universe (Shinra is the embodiment of Adolla where it gives him the power over all creation, which Haumea admits can create hell which in this context is "Adolla" and recreating Adolla as he pleases, Adolla has an countless vastness with the same reach as the universe, Shinrabanshoman creating all-creations as he pleases) upto Universe+ (Adolla is a realm described as Higher Dimensions, which capable to significantly effect the Universe's time dimension and atleast has it's own time dimension. Adolla is a place where this realm is the embodiment of all human thoughts. The realm of Adolla extends to the range equivalent to literal Universe in the Fire Force including it's Space-Time dimensions).

Opinions:
Agree: @AkumaNoHissatsu, @Dalesean027, @Laminitus, @TokiNoOuja
Neutral: @Lormac_CC, @TrueKingOfHeroes, @Megaraptor149
Disagree: @Pain_to12

 

[Megaraptor149]

Following this

 

[Lormac_CC]

Neutral leaning towards disagreeing

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Neutral leaning towards disagreeing

Can I ask you which part do you disagree?

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

I'll explain more specifically about the higher dimensions

In Adolla's universe, Joker and Burns had access to it, and they were given information that they couldn't even contain, which we can see include statements such as:

• Higher dimension
• World
• Law
• Insect
• Truth
• Mathematics
• Hell

Scans here

I took 3 main keywords. Higher dimension, world, mathematics, this is not a logical fit *****, nor hypothetical ***** but this is a fact, the 3 words all refer to 4-D Universal sized (the standard structure of the universe)

• Higher dimension, refers to a higher dimension, something higher than 3D, the 4D dimension.
• World, refers to the world of Adolla which is directly related to the mention of higher dimensions, an indication that the world of Adolla has a universal sized 4D structure.
• Mathematics, this is the most powerful because it supports a "higher dimension" state, which indicates if Adolla's world is a higher-dimensional world based on mathematics, which we know in 4D mathematics itself can refer to a 4 spatial Dimensional structure, or not 3 dimensional structure and 1 temporal Dimensional structure (this refers to the theory of relativity, which is a supporting aspect because the theory of relativity itself works in this verse)

And keep in mind, almost all divine powers or blessings that come from the Adolla world are all related to something that manipulates physics related to time.

• Shinra with divine blessings can exceed the speed of light and trigger the theory of relativity to apply to the extreme
• Sho with divine grace manipulates the heat of melting of the universe, which makes the flow of time "stop" and only sho can move (heat energy)
• Faerie by divine blessing heats the atoms within her and makes her mass change, allowing her to speed up or slow down time (the higher her gravity, the slower time is perceived, similar to Pucci)

 

[Dalesean027]

Probably should've waited for the series to conclude at the end of the month so we can have all the info and this completely wrapped up also you should notify @Pain_to12 of this thread if u still intend on keeping it open as they're knowledgeable on the verse and has been working on wide revisions for when the series wrapped up.

I will say as far as I've seen from reading myself shinra is definitely at the very least 5-A or 4-C

 

[Dalesean027]

You'll definitely need more scans to get universal so I'd say get as much as.you can from the latest chapters, a good one would be shinra affecting the universe's time itself being able to rewind and have full control over time to continuously recreate the world has he sees fit all in instants when perceived by the likes of Haumea

 

[EinelRendezvous]

You'll definitely need more scans to get universal so I'd say get as much as.you can from the latest chapters, a good one would be shinra affecting the universe's time itself being able to rewind and have full control over time to continuously recreate the world has he sees fit all in instants when perceived by the likes of Haumea

Thanks for your input and opinion. I'll count you as agree. Aight thanks for your advice also, I'll try to bringing up more scans.

I'll explain more specifically about the higher dimensions

In Adolla's universe, Joker and Burns had access to it, and they were given information that they couldn't even contain, which we can see include statements such as:

• Higher dimension
• World
• Law
• Insect
• Truth
• Mathematics
• Hell

Scans here

I took 3 main keywords. Higher dimension, world, mathematics, this is not a logical fit *****, nor hypothetical ***** but this is a fact, the 3 words all refer to 4-D Universal sized (the standard structure of the universe)

• Higher dimension, refers to a higher dimension, something higher than 3D, the 4D dimension.
• World, refers to the world of Adolla which is directly related to the mention of higher dimensions, an indication that the world of Adolla has a universal sized 4D structure.
• Mathematics, this is the most powerful because it supports a "higher dimension" state, which indicates if Adolla's world is a higher-dimensional world based on mathematics, which we know in 4D mathematics itself can refer to a 4 spatial Dimensional structure, or not 3 dimensional structure and 1 temporal Dimensional structure (this refers to the theory of relativity, which is a supporting aspect because the theory of relativity itself works in this verse)

And keep in mind, almost all divine powers or blessings that come from the Adolla world are all related to something that manipulates physics related to time.

• Shinra with divine blessings can exceed the speed of light and trigger the theory of relativity to apply to the extreme
• Sho with divine grace manipulates the heat of melting of the universe, which makes the flow of time "stop" and only sho can move (heat energy)
• Faerie by divine blessing heats the atoms within her and makes her mass change, allowing her to speed up or slow down time (the higher her gravity, the slower time is perceived, similar to Pucci)

And you too thanks for the opinion as agree opinion.

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

Neutral for Universe level and Neutral leaning towards disagree for Universe+ level, because the supporting evidence does not come from the spacetime continuum such as literally universe but through Higher dimensions which show less significant superiority over the dimensions below it, and appear more like the center of the universe but do not qualify higher dimensional criteria. Actually for a Universe level with minimal evidence, it's still not enough to get that tier.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I want to make it clear as well universe+ is out of the question to me as well there's nothing really supporting it however I do think there's an argument to be had for universe level though it'd be much easier to get a rating that's easily between 5-B to 4-C

 

[Confluctor]

We should wait for the manga to end, we got like few more chapters to go anyway.

Anyway, @Pain_to12 you have been summoned

 

[Dalesean027]

We should wait for the manga to end, we got like few more chapters to go anyway.

Agreed

 

[PrinceofPein]

Not sure what anything here proofs universal

Shinrabanshoman is the embodiment of Adolla. He possesses and derives the power of "all creation" or everything. In chapter 298, Shinrabanshoman gains the full power of Adolla. Shinrabanshoman is a Shinra who has acquired the Uncollective Unconscious power which is the true form of Adolla. Adolla is a realm from a higher dimension that command over everything. That's why Shinra is said to have the power of "All Creation" because he is the incarnation of Adolla.

Some higher plane/dimension without R-F, or something similar does not really mean much

In chapter 80, it is specifically explained that Shinra could see a strange "scenario" with innumerable black earth filled with fire using Adolla Link. Sho explains that Adolla's powers can interfere with anything. If bringing another translated version with a more accurate translation, Sho explained that the realm of Adolla is a place with a bizzare landscape where there are countless fires. This confirmed the vastness of Adolla's realm with the space of Countless Space or at least the equivalent of the Universal Scale.

Uhhhm you should read your scans again
“The countless flames welling up out of the black terrain” does not mean the space is infinite, endless or countless. It is a figure of speech for lots of fire
Also for the other translation “a black land and innumerable flames that don’t burn” does not mean infinite space in the slightest it just means lots of fire

Sho explains that he can affect everything thanks to the Divine Protection of The Preacher/The Evangelist. The Preacher/The Evangelist is the embodiment of Adolla besides Shinrabanshoman. So Sho's power can affect everything because it is obtained from the direct embodiment of Adolla. This also confirms Sho's previous words with evidence. Sho's ability is "fire control" which scales to being able to manipulate the flames of the universe. This proves that Adolla's own reach is on par with the universe as Sho's timestop can reach Universe's Entropy.

Litch then explains that Sho's ability is to interfere with the heat of entropy of the Universe so that he can stop 'time' because time corresponds to the expansion of the universe that comes from Entropy. In chapter 129, the Joker explains that Adolla is an existence from a Higher Dimension. It's also logical because Adolla's powers can affect "time" just like Sho does for time-stopping. And, Adolla can also manipulate everything. This proves that Adolla is an extradimensional 4D space.

Conclusion:




Tier for Shinrabanshoman:

Well for the most part the only thing that should be addressed here is Sho time stop and the others don’t really mean anything
Sho is not heating up or cooling the entire universe, he is heating and cooling his own universe whatever that means
Most likely his surroundings/earth
But to clear something up not once did we see Adolla affecting anything aside from the earth, moon and maybe their surroundings
The current Shinrabanshoman feats is simply high tier reality warping of a planet done multiple time, over and over again so yes at the very least he is a solid 5-B
To restate what I have said
1. Countless flames =/= countless space
2. Higher plane =/= 4D
3. Sho time stop is affecting it interfering parts of the universe expansion with his own heat from Adolla
4. Shinrabanshoman has consistently shown 5B feats

 

[Dalesean027]

Not sure what anything here proofs universal

Some higher plane/dimension without R-F, or something similar does not really mean much

Uhhhm you should read your scans again
“The countless flames welling up out of the black terrain” does not mean the space is infinite, endless or countless. It is a figure of speech for lots of fire
Also for the other translation “a black land and innumerable flames that don’t burn” does not mean infinite space in the slightest it just means lots of fire

Litch then explains that Sho's ability is to interfere with the heat of entropy of the Universe so that he can stop 'time' because time corresponds to the expansion of the universe that comes from Entropy. In chapter 129, the Joker explains that Adolla is an existence from a Higher Dimension. It's also logical because Adolla's powers can affect "time" just like Sho does for time-stopping. And, Adolla can also manipulate everything. This proves that Adolla is an extradimensional 4D space.

Well for the most part the only thing that should be addressed here is Sho time stop and the others don’t really mean anything
Sho is not heating up or cooling the entire universe, he is heating and cooling his own universe whatever that means
Most likely his surroundings/earth
But to clear something up not once did we see Adolla affecting anything aside from the earth, moon and maybe their surroundings
The current Shinrabanshoman feats is simply high tier reality warping of a planet done multiple time, over and over again so yes at the very least he is a solid 5-B
To restate what I have said
1. Countless flames = countless space
2. Higher plane = 4D
3. Sho time stop is affecting it interfering parts of the universe expansion with his own heat from Adolla
4. Shinrabanshoman has consistently shown 5B feats

Thanks for your input Pain, I'm of the same mind that at the very least Shinra has some good reality warping and time manip with at the very least 5-B qualifications.

Really it's kinda like how bleach and naruto have universal arguements but its more consistent to be 5-B

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

True, the scan given has many biases, such as countless fire = countless space which even though nothing indicates that, what I have seen so far is that Shinra's feats will range from Planetary - higher due to his Reality Warping.

The better option is to wait for the Manga to really end I guess.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

I have edited the post and add more scans that capable to soliding this CRT by giving more feats and statements. I kinda forgot about Shinrabanshoman battle with Haumea Evangelist. It's took place on Adolla not Earth. So yeah, Shinra literally affecting the whole Adolla (not just Earth). So it's more solid to Universe even Universe+.

Neutral for Universe level and Neutral leaning towards disagree for Universe+ level, because the supporting evidence does not come from the spacetime continuum such as literally universe but through Higher dimensions which show less significant superiority over the dimensions below it, and appear more like the center of the universe but do not qualify higher dimensional criteria. Actually for a Universe level with minimal evidence, it's still not enough to get that tier.

Adolla Realm is referred to as the Higher Dimension because it leads to a dimensional level that is equivalent to Time of Universe. And some people who have this power from Adolla can influence time significantly, we know that time is (4D). Adolla is not the center of the universe but another version of the universe. Adolla is a parallel universe that is not causally disconnected from the regular Universe. So, they remain on the same causal scale. Instead, Adolla itself hosts the Universe there, which is shown by changing Adolla, it will change the world too. Well, that's enough because Shinra showed being able to recreate the entire realm of Adolla which has a countless area.

Not sure what anything here proofs universal

Please read again. I have providing more scans where it shows Shinrabanshoman's power directly change the whole structure of Adolla's Universe.

Some higher plane/dimension without R-F, or something similar does not really mean much

You know that what they mean as higher dimensions is not a dimension stuff related to literal higher right? It can be interpreted as another realm that capable to effect the whole Universe. Or an another universe where the sea of souls (Uncollective Unconscious) occur like hell. It's a 4D another Universe as whole.

Uhhhm you should read your scans again
“The countless flames welling up out of the black terrain” does not mean the space is infinite, endless or countless. It is a figure of speech for lots of fire
Also for the other translation “a black land and innumerable flames that don’t burn” does not mean infinite space in the slightest it just means lots of fire

No. That is not a figure of speech. Figure of Speech is a metaphor and is more of a form of analogy which means only for comparison. While what Sho meant was in a serious context where he explained that Adolla was another world with a strange landscape filled with 'countless' black flames.

You can say that it is a Figurative of Speech if Sho says "the fire in this world is very wide, as wide as the big sky." - However, that was not what Sho meant. In chapter 80, Sho confirmed clearly that Adolla is another world with an unique characteristic of fire that fills the ground innumerably.

Well for the most part the only thing that should be addressed here is Sho time stop and the others don’t really mean anything. Sho is not heating up or cooling the entire universe, he is heating and cooling his own universe whatever that means.

That's it, you don't know what's being discussed here. You even mentioned non-specifically how Sho's Time-Stop mechanism works. Sho's intention to cool "his own Universe" is a form of metaphor that Sho's ability allows him to control the entropy flow of the universe so that time will also stop if he manipulates it to an extreme point. At this point, Sho's timestop range is Universe+ because he can reach the time dimension of the Universe and universally froze the Universe by manipulating the entropy between it.

Most likely his surroundings/earth
But to clear something up not once did we see Adolla affecting anything aside from the earth, moon and maybe their surroundings.

Shinra and Haumea's battle took place in Adolla. The reason Adolla only affects Earth is because at that time the Earth was consumed by the madness of Adolla. So that Shinra who was there manipulated the entire structure of Adolla's dimension. This dimensional change from Adolla also changes the Earth (remember, Adolla is a different realm from Earth). And Shinra who can influence Adolla reinforces that his range and power are Universal.

The current Shinrabanshoman feats is simply high tier reality warping of a planet done multiple time, over and over again so yes at the very least he is a solid 5-B.

Nay, 5-B is a lowball. He can easly reach 5A upto higher by changing the burned earth into normal again.

To restate what I have said
1. Countless flames = countless space
2. Higher plane = 4D
3. Sho time stop is affecting it interfering parts of the universe expansion with his own heat from Adolla
4. Shinrabanshoman has consistently shown 5B feats

Agree for 1-3 where it same as my opinion where countless flame in Adolla means countless space too, and higher dimension of Adolla was reffer to 4D not higher than that, also the third one is correct but kinda miss.

Disagree for 4. At the very least, he's above that.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

True, the scan given has many biases, such as countless fire = countless space which even though nothing indicates that, what I have seen so far is that Shinra's feats will range from Planetary - higher due to his Reality Warping.

What biases actually? And which one said it's not indicated that? Do you know that in chapter 80, Sho trying to explain the Adolla Realm to Shinra. So everything that he meant to describe Adolla was a real description (not a figure of speech or flowery words). I have prove that. So can you prove your arguments here? Try to bring scans where the "countless flame" doesn't meant to countless space. I'll wait, because the kanji that I interpreted literally mean the whole landscape (lenght) of place is filled with countless flames, and there's never been stated that Adolla's exact size other than that. Not planetary, Universe+ range because he also has Sho's range of timestop.

The better option is to wait for the Manga to really end I guess.

Nah it already reach the climax. The whole scans is clear.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I’ve already said my piece and this is definitely not getting passed

“A landscape filled with countless flames” in no way in hell will ever mean infinite landscape or space
And higher plane or dimension does not grant AP or tier without further contexts and in this context it does not mean R>F or something similar it means some different world
Sho time stop is cooling down his own universe/surrounding hence interfering with the expansion of the actual universe and stopping time not stopping the expansion of the entire universe
And shinra feats are mainly reality warping feat not AP feats but they can still grant him 5B

Do what you want with that knowledge

 

[Laminitus]

Agree, because Haumea said shinra can create hell (adolla world
and possibly for universe+ feats).

Yeah lets go to the topic
beside of shinra creating Adolla World he indirectly also recreates life with universal or overall possibilities as evidenced by him resurrecting many people... he composed the world itself
and creating death which is the seed of the Shinigami's weight in soul eater... and soul eater is the after effect of the events in fire force... you could say shinra might recreate the universe and its laws... I think possibly for universe and universe+...with various possibilities can make it into a universe with his power

 

[EinelRendezvous]

I’ve already said my piece and this is definitely not getting passed

Disagree. You ain't bring any scans that strongly disprove my scans. You just bring stuff and take a personal interpretation that literally different. Also, when you try to debunk someone bring more scans that more reliable than someone that you try to debunk with.

“A landscape filled with countless flames” in no way in hell will ever mean infinite landscape or space

No. I never said that as Infinite. I can screenshoot and remember everything of my comments. I never said that. Please don't create fake arguments. Also, you can't refute that context with a more reliable scans are you?

The landscape words that being used in the context can be meaning or interpreted as a place which the eye can comprehend in a single view, including all the objects it contains. And Sho has make it clears that, the Adolla fills with Black Flame where it has innumerable/countless in space. So it still counts.

And higher plane or dimension does not grant AP or tier without further contexts and in this context it does not mean R>F or something similar it means some different world

Correct but nay. The Higher Dimensions of Adolla was meant to be as 4D world. Not higher than that. Also, Shinra has feats that capable to recreating that 4D realm in ease over and over again so I don't know what you mean.

Sho time stop is cooling down his own universe/surrounding hence interfering with the expansion of the actual universe and stopping time not stopping the expansion of the entire universe

It's actually stopping the entire universe. But in a small scale. Ain't Litch has make it clear? Litch and Sho explains that Sho's ability able to affect everything. Yes literal everything which here reffer to whole time universe. That's the reason why he can stop-time. The universe is expanding along with heat blasts, so it means that if you can slowdown or stop the heat blast (entropy) of the Universe itself, you can stop time too.

And shinra feats are mainly reality warping feat not AP feats but they can still grant him 5B

So, Shinra creating everything out of nothing in Adolla Realm and recreating the whole structure as he pleases still 5B? Sick, prove me the Adolla Realm lenght only Planet. Then we can agree.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Agree, because haumea said shinra can creating hell (adolla world
And possibly for universe+ feats

Yeah lets go to the topic
besides shinra creating adolla world he indirectly also recreates life with universal or overall possibilities as evidenced by him resurrecting many people... he composed the world itself
and creating death which is the seed of the shinigami's weight in soul eater... and soul eater is the after effect of the events in fire force... you could say shinra might recreate the universe and its laws... I think possibly for universe and universe+...with various possibilities can make it into a universe with his power

Thanks for your input and opinion.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Neutral for now.

It's actually still too early to determine the tier right now, because I think it's better to wait until the manga is finished so that I can know all the feats of eos Shinra. If this thread is done now or accepted maybe there will probably be more revisions to come, so it's better to wait until it's finished

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Neutral for now.

It's actually still too early to determine the tier right now, because I think it's better to wait until the manga is finished so that I can know all the feats of eos Shinra. If this thread is done now there will probably be more revisions to come, so it's better to wait until it's finished

It's not, trust me. The manga has end the climax and now getting into resolution. The main conflict and battle has end. It's the right time to determine it.

But okay, thanks for your input and opinion.

 

[Dalesean027]

Neutral for now.

It's actually still too early to determine the tier right now, because I think it's better to wait until the manga is finished so that I can know all the feats of eos Shinra. If this thread is done now there will probably be more revisions to come, so it's better to wait until it's finished

Again agree with this, we can literally put this on hold until the final chapter releases. There's literally no downside to waiting and besides it's unanimously agreed that at the very very least shinra is 5-B so let's just wait and work from there and see in these final chapters whether or not we'll just some more explicit stuff for tiering

 

[Megaraptor149]

It's not, trust me. The manga has end the climax and now getting into resolution. The main conflict and battle has end. It's the right time to determine it.

But okay, thanks for your input and opinion.

Well indeed the manga may have entered its climax, maybe a few more chapters will be finished, so it might not hurt to wait a little longer.

Again agree with this, we can literally put this on hold until the final chapter releases. There's literally no downside to waiting and besides it's unanimously agreed that at the very very least shinra is 5-B so let's just wait and work from there and see in these final chapters whether or not we'll just some more explicit stuff for tiering

Yep, better wait until finish.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Again agree with this, we can literally put this on hold until the final chapter releases. There's literally no downside to waiting and besides it's unanimously agreed that at the very very least shinra is 5-B so let's just wait and work from there and see in these final chapters whether or not we'll just some more explicit stuff for tiering

What's you hoping for? The manga will end in 2 next chapter. And there won't be any feats for tiering I believe. It will be a conclusion to story. And also in chapter 302, Shinra reduce his own Shimrabanshoman form into regular Shinra. So I believe this is the right time for Shinrabanshoman to shining.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Wow never expected something this big from FF-verse,btw i agree

Good job man

 

[Dalesean027]

What's you hoping for? The manga will end in 2 next chapter. And there won't be any feats for tiering I believe. It will be a conclusion to story. And also in chapter 302, Shinra reduce his own Shimrabanshoman form into regular Shinra. So I believe this is the right time for Shinrabanshoman to shining.

Even if it does so we still have no clue what statements can be made as the story wraps up or even the ending which this is all building to in the first place, whatever happens will be the result of the events we're discussing now. Like you literally have no clue what could be said hell it'd be in your favor is idek they said a new universe was born or some shit I mean it's just a wait until the 22nd.

Not trying to sound like an asshole or rude either I'm just saying we literally don't know what statements we'll get or what words we may have on this from the mangaka so it's just best to wait and besides if you wrap this up now and it doesn't get accepted then it'll just be that much harder to try and do any upgrades

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Even if it does so we still have no clue what statements can be made as the story wraps up or even the ending which this is all building to in the first place, whatever happens will be the result of the events we're discussing now. Like you literally have no clue what could be said hell it'd be in your favor is idek they said a new universe was born or some shit I mean it's just a wait until the 22nd.

I understand about your point. Hate to disagree but no man, what makes you so pesimissm? The ending will be predictable. Everything goes back to normal and Shinra will live his another day as regular human being after he reduces his own God form. And I don't think we have no clue about what happen next, in chapter 302 it literally show us that Shinra even creating a magic academy (yeah that one from Soul Eater) to make a new organization to balance the world.

Not trying to sound like an asshole or rude either I'm just saying we literally don't know what statements we'll get or what words we may have on this from the mangaka so it's just best to wait and besides if you wrap this up now and it doesn't get accepted then it'll just be that much harder to try and do any upgrades

I don't think it will get rejected. Unless someone bring more reliable scans than mine. And I don't think there will be one.

Well thanks for your opinion I guess.

 

[Laminitus]

Neutral for now.

It's actually still too early to determine the tier right now, because I think it's better to wait until the manga is finished so that I can know all the feats of eos Shinra. If this thread is done now or accepted maybe there will probably be more revisions to come, so it's better to wait until it's finished

manga will be finished in 2 chapters now it would be better if we made a temporary conclusion for shinra... very disagree for 5B feats need proof that adolla world is only a planet... Adolla world is another name for hell... it regulates law, mathematics, etc... for feats I think it's possibly universe+ because from haumea shinra's statement can create adolla/hell... and adolla has an unknown size... with no visible end..literally also with the possibility that he has the power of all creation to recreate the world and compose it let alone act as a god and the basic creator of soul eater I think it might refer to the universe conclusion from me... I agree this upgrade thread as a enen no shouboutai fans

 

[Megaraptor149]

manga will be finished in 2 chapters now it would be better if we made a temporary conclusion for shinra... very disagree for 5B feats need proof that adolla world is only a planet... Adolla world is another name for hell... it regulates law, mathematics, etc... for feats I think it's possibly universe+ because from haumea shinra's statement can create adolla/hell... and adolla has an unknown size... with no visible end..literally also with the possibility that he has the power of all creation to recreate the world and compose it let alone act as a god and the basic creator of soul eater I think it might refer to the universe conclusion from me... I agree this upgrade thread as a enen no shouboutai fans

The conclusion, I think it's not too hasty, coupled with the feats and statements above that the OP presents, it makes a lot of sense for that. However, waiting for the next 2 weeks is not a very long time to wait. There will be many statements or feats that we don't know what the future will look like.

For now maybe I'm neutral with this crt but when it's over it's not possible that I change my mind to agree with this thread.

 

[EinelRendezvous]

manga will be finished in 2 chapters now it would be better if we made a temporary conclusion for shinra... very disagree for 5B feats need proof that adolla world is only a planet... Adolla world is another name for hell... it regulates law, mathematics, etc... for feats I think it's possibly universe+ because from haumea shinra's statement can create adolla/hell... and adolla has an unknown size... with no visible end..literally also with the possibility that he has the power of all creation to recreate the world and compose it let alone act as a god and the basic creator of soul eater I think it might refer to the universe conclusion from me... I agree this upgrade thread as a enen no shouboutai fans

Yep exactly my point. It's to pessimism to think we need wait for 2 weeks while we can give a brief conclusion for Shinrabanshoman only. Mainly because Shinrabanshoman form has reduced into regular Shinra, so it will be make more sense to make a thread now.

Also the lenght of Adolla is Countless. It's safe to say the space itself can be 3A. And including the time dimension will be Universe+ by far.

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

“A landscape filled with countless flames” in no way in hell will ever mean infinite landscape or space

I never remember @EinelRendezvous said that infinite things, he said that adolla dimension was an countless landscap

True, the scan given has many biases, such as countless fire = countless space which even though nothing indicates that, what I have seen so far is that Shinra's feats will range from Planetary - higher due to his Reality Warping.

The context is sho talking about, first he said about the size of Adolla realm that have innumerable space then continue it with a countless flame, how can you fit countless burning flame in non-countless space? Your argument is subjective without any proof, so better to read it again

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

Sho time stop is cooling down his own universe/surrounding hence interfering with the expansion of the actual universe and stopping time not stopping the expansion of the entire universe

Ever heard of "entropy current"? It is a matter related to heat, and that sho has the power to manipulate entropy currents and slow down the heat of expansion of the universe, which at the same time slows down the flow of time

Prove that sho is actually doing some "own universe" or whatever is that, because it was Metaphor things

 

[Confluctor]

Why don't we just wait for two weeks, let's see what happens, then revise it?? Like if you waited this long, two weeks ain't gonna kill you.

Plus wasn't there an already verse wide revision planned by a different team?

 

[Damage3245]

Anyone mind if I lock this for two weeks?

 

[Dalesean027]

Plus wasn't there an already verse wide revision planned by a different team

I'm pretty sure there is, ik @Pain_to12 was working on some stuff themself and that in the fire force discussion thread they were still going through discussion the final tierings, feats, and waiting for the final chapters. I'm not sure what group that talked about the verse wide revisions belongs to or if they're seperate

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Anyone mind if I lock this for two weeks?

Okay you can lock it. I'll wait for 2 weeks.

 

[SuperStar]

Is it time?

 

[Lormac_CC]

What was added, cause I don't still see how this would get to 3-A or low 2-C