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Would you literally fight one of your gods? Are you under an Oath that literally makes you look for someone to kill you in combat and vice versa? No? Well that's what Ungrim is lol
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Ungrim Ironfist vs Santa Claus
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awesome necro moment
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This was only 4 months ago, have either profiles changed?
If not, I don't mind concluding it.
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It was for a minute, but didn't we all sort of settle on INCON?
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something like that yeah
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I mean by the law of large numbers Santa is eventually gonna hit Ungrim but generally that was the consensus yes.
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Well one hit isn't enough, he would recover and continue to dodge on the next rest cycle
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he doesn't have regen, eventually damage would pile up considering it's being done by projectiles
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This assumes Ungrim doesn't throw his own projectile, namely his axe
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yeah, that's a great idea, deprive yourself of your primary weapon with an attack that can be easily dodged
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You think he can't fist someone? Or how about start throwing trees and shit?
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Yeah start throwing 9-B trees, that's really gonna get 'em. Again, all those options are way inferior to you know, actual ranged weaponry.
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Which will hit the guy comparable to icicle rain dodges? Nah.
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Yes, I am certain that this character is never on any occasion tagged by anything less impressive than that, ever.
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Actually because Ungrim doesn't really appear too often in the books, he Actually hasn't when it comes to projectiles. In fact most people who scale to it have no anti-feats
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He doesn't have notable regen, but surely he heals, especially since he wouldn't be hit again anytime soon.
Probably months, at least.
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"most"
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Yes, most. And those few that have the anti-feats are below Ungrim in terms of skill anyway.
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Anyway, law of large numbers as I said, mind you that the rifles are way above Santa's speed so being able to dodge a lot of relatively slow projectiles isn't really relevant.
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Actually the projectiles were faster then the individual who performed the feat, plus the fact that Santa wouldn't be fighting close quarters with the guns at all, so they're very, very, very dodgeable at a distance, but both can theoretically win, it's just really unlikely to happen before say Santa literally dies of old age. Also why would the guns be faster then Santa himself again? "It's logical" doesn't work at MFTL+ if a character doesn't have such feats lol
Also, the probability of Ungrim not say blocking the projectile with his axe or just tanking it with his thick ass armor or just tanking it with damage reduction is 0 at the ranges they'll fight at.
Also, the probability of Ungrim not say blocking the projectile with his axe or just tanking it with his thick ass armor or just tanking it with damage reduction is 0 at the ranges they'll fight at.
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Because they are shown to be faster than him and easily tag those comparable to him even at medium distances.
Also Santa has longevity, at least centuries but likely longer considering what he is, in fact considering he's a manifestation of humanity's collective spirit he's definitely way the **** older than that.
AP difference ain't that big, in fact Santa may hold the advantage with his scaling chain.
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there we go, that's enough even if they'll be long range and as such easy to dodge if Santa doesn't GTFO immediately, which rethinking it, doesn't Santa have some impressive skill feats of his own? he may think he can take Ungrim and... well... we know how that ends. namely Ungrim getting a 2-6x amp to his axe and hitting Santa once, maybe even killing him right then and there if it connects in a bad spot for saint nick
Ungrim won't die unless he wants to in longevity to the point where it's limited immortality type 1, just going by whats on the file here so...
510 Gigatons was stupid casual in the first place and Ungrim upscales from Bloodthirsters by a decent amount, so no, Santa does not have an AP advantage by any stretch unless that 250 gigatons was done with a simple action such as flapping one's wings a single time. You smell what I'm stepping in chief? lol
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Typically he's one to avoid confrontations + ESP will show him Ungrim's past. But yes he is fairly skilled on his own, Deadpool-tier when drunk as ****.
Santa's scaling chain is way bigger than that yes.
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Yeh
"limited type 1. Ungrim like all dwarfs are incredibly long lived, and are reportedly to continue living no matter age, as long as they have will to live, but their bodies will continue to age at an albeit far slower than humans" literally under immortality my legally blind debater lol
Then please give it here, let's evaluate what you want for the scaling chain
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FinePoint posted it at the beginning of the thread but it's a huge chain that ultimately ends in Santa being superior to someone who stomped Robbie Reyes, who's superior to Savage She-Hulk, who blah blah blah either way Santa's above the feat by a lot.
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"It gets confusing from here" isn't the scaling chain, I have full reason to believe that's the scaling chain with just a stomp in it thet won't clear the gap or give Santa a + on his file, which Ungrim by all means has due to being above 500 Gigatons
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So, in other words, you need to figure the High 6-C scaling chain out before ya start making big claims and such.
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Here you go, figured it out.
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Hmmm, I think you missed my issue with that...
"confusing from here but ultimately ends in the Mandarin."
I made it bigger so you'd stop dodging my issue lol
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That's where I got led too
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Yeah. I would find it highly unlikely that Santa wasn't at least twice as strong though, almost certainly more.
He was also called the strongest mutant, and some parts of the scaling chain are stomps.
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Issue is, he doesn't have a plus on his file, if that's the case he should.
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He has a "Possibly Far Higher" instead, I'm not sure you're allowed to assume a + just from a vague upscaling chain.
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that's not how it works no, you need to be really close to be given a + featwise, no matter the amount of scaling, since there's always a degree of uncertainty.
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