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Undertale verse vs A Certain magical index verse

This is a close one. I'm going with Index here, while praying this doesn't start a big-ass unecessary discussion like the one with JJBA did.
 
thanks, I'm going to check out index now and have actually made a Undertale monsters vs Harry Potter verse thread if you want to check that out.
 
it seems like this comes down to whether or not Asriel can save scum the true magic gods or not, he's high 2-A so he might have a dimension advantage too
 
Aurasuke said:
Well the Magic Gods are also High 2-A, and there's quite a number of them.
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oops, missed that, but Asriel having time manipulation and time manipulation prevention due to determination is not to be ignored.
 
Time is 4-D in concept, I'm not quite sure how that would affect a 5D being who exists outside of time in a sense. Also Othinius casually rewrites the world and by world I mean universe with the snap of a finger. The other magic gods are infinitely stronger than she is. There is also Aiwass who is supposedly above the magic gods but it's a bit more of speculation since it doesn't have that many feats.
 
Aurasuke said:
Well the Magic Gods are also High 2-A, and there's quite a number of them.
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While attempting not to wank Undertale, I will state that Asriel is High 2-A without effort.

His full potential > Him toying with Frisk

He's still very likely High 2-A at his maximum, but it still doesn't disregard his full potential being extremely potent.

I don't know to much of the Magic God's powers, but Angel of Death can possibly make them incapable of doing anything.

I will side with Undertale due to the lesser tiers mainly having a speed advantage and Asriel's hax.
 
^just a fyi, The Rating for the Magic gods is also 0 effort, they can passively destroy infinite universes by moving a arm or leg.
 
Talonmask said:
Aurasuke said:
Well the Magic Gods are also High 2-A, and there's quite a number of them.
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While attempting not to wank Undertale, I will state that Asriel is High 2-A without effort.
His full potential > Him toying with Frisk

He's still very likely High 2-A at his maximum, but it still doesn't disregard his full potential being extremely potent.

I don't know to much of the Magic God's powers, but Angel of Death can possibly make them incapable of doing anything.

I will side with Undertale due to the lesser tiers mainly having a speed advantage and Asriel's hax.
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Funny thing is, the lesser tiers of both verses are useless here, because the Magic Gods instantly destroy the universe when they step out of their pocket dimension into our universe. As soon as they enter the battlefield, only the top tiers would be left. And Touma, i guess.
 
Undertale wins via quality... ok no.

This will lead to nowhere... 2-A vs 2-A never goes well...
 
NotEvenHuman said:
Funny thing is, the lesser tiers of both verses are useless here, because the Magic Gods instantly destroy the universe when they step out of their pocket dimension into our universe. As soon as they enter the battlefield, only the top tiers would be left. And Touma, i guess.
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yeah that sort of thing happens when there's high tiers involved... wait, just remembered that AD still exists
 
Squid peanut said:
NotEvenHuman said:
Funny thing is, the lesser tiers of both verses are useless here, because the Magic Gods instantly destroy the universe when they step out of their pocket dimension into our universe. As soon as they enter the battlefield, only the top tiers would be left. And Touma, i guess.
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yeah that sort of thing happens when there's high tiers involved... wait, just remembered that AD still exists
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What's AD?
 
I don't believe I know what AD is lol, as I explained before I've never actually played this game.

Well there's always Aiwass, but Aiwass only supposedly more powerful than the Magic Gods without any real feats as of yet.
 
NotEvenHuman said:
Squid peanut said:
NotEvenHuman said:
Funny thing is, the lesser tiers of both verses are useless here, because the Magic Gods instantly destroy the universe when they step out of their pocket dimension into our universe. As soon as they enter the battlefield, only the top tiers would be left. And Touma, i guess.
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yeah that sort of thing happens when there's high tiers involved... wait, just remembered that AD still exists
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What's AD?
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Annoying Dog.
 
Annoying dog is a small white dog that created reality by accident, is a Universal constant (likely type 5 immortal), is omnipresent and can create infinite matter
 
Okay so it's an unknown tier. But Magic Gods can also create any number of universes easily.

I don't really get how creating a single reality helps. Unless somehow that reality is shown to be more than multiversal for example if that reality has infinite dimensions.
 
Aurasuke said:
Okay so it's an unknown tier. But Magic Gods can also create any number of universes easily.
I don't really get how creating a single reality helps. Unless somehow that reality is shown to be more than multiversal for example if that reality has infinite dimensions.
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he did, and the fact that Asriel was able to thrash around as a high 2-A and AD come out unscaved is a pretty big feat.
 
Even if you scaled him to Asriel he would still only be high 2-A, there's nothing that suggests he's closer to tier 1 even if he did manage to come out unscathed. To be honest Aleister's dog seemed more impressive to me lol, it defeated a weakened magic god quite literally killing him in order to save Academy City.

Also what do you mean by he did?
 
Aurasuke said:
Even if you scaled him to Asriel he would still only be high 2-A, there's nothing that suggests he's closer to tier 1 even if he did manage to come out unscathed. To be honest Aleister's dog seemed more impressive to me lol, it defeated a weakened magic god quite literally killing him in order to save Academy City.
Also what do you mean by he did?
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he did create countless universes instantly as well as the game itself which due to the nature of undertale is a reality that includes all rules and facets of the verse by barking into a text to speak program. additionally it is seen sleeping on the fabric of reality and can aperently modify it if AD wanted to, on top of this a file getting corrupted due to the nature of Undertale's reality has been agreed to be all of reality falling apart. the dog is unharmed by this and dances in the abyss
 
How about we take out both Aiwass and Annoying dog as both of them are quite featless. We'll only use variables that are known for this discussion to avoid this uncertainty?
 
Aurasuke said:
How about we take out both Aiwass and Annoying dog as both of them are quite featless. We'll only use variables that are known for this discussion to avoid this uncertainty?
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ok, are the magic gods beyond the concept of time?
 
Squid peanut said:
Aurasuke said:
5-D means beyond the concept of time, so yes pretty much.
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then if 4-D beings still exist inside time, asriel's save & load doesn't do anything and magic gods win via numbers.
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Did you mean to say 5-D beings exist outside of time? lol.

Also, I see. I suppose someone like Sans who I seen before wouldn't really have a place here even though he apparently defeated multiversal opponents.
 
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