Undertale Humans vs Gurren Lagann Humans (Spiral Power vs Determination)

[Gnomishness]

Both verses are known for having their humans be the most ridiculous, overpowered beings in their setting, each of which being capable of using respective energies of Spiral power and Determination with no lack of excess or reasonable limit.

But which of these human types are most overpowered? That is the question.

For Undertale's side, we will be using the humans on the surface, which have only been mentioned, yet are easy enough to estimate and scale based on Frisk, Chara and general monster history.

For Gurren Lagann's side we will be using the spirals as we assume they are, 100 years after the main events of the show, assuming that spiral energy has continued to spiral out.

The matches are as follows:

1. All unnamed Undertale Humans vs All Gurren Lagann Humans (100 years in the future)

2. A single unnamed Undertale Human vs a single unnamed Gurren Lagann Human of a similar background (also future).

3. A team of seven highly trained Undertale Humans vs a team of sixteen highly trained Gurren Lagann humans.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

1. I genuinely have no idea.

2. I still have no idea. I think the spiral human might take it, though. Might have more combat applicable hax. Not sure.

3. I'd give it to the Undertale humans, as by "highly trained", I'm assuming you mean humans in the same class as the mages who created the Barrier, which would likely make their combined potency fall into the 2-A area.

 

[Squid_peanut]

what can spiral energy do out of mech?

 

[Squid_peanut]

Also we dont actually have a good estimate of undertale humans as the only human we encounter is actually composed of two, and most Undertale humans aren't able to access full determination, regardless I may side with them since a single village could fataly wound a monster that had absorbed a human soul

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

what can spiral energy do out of mech?

Everything it can do in-mech. TTGL is pretty much made of Spiral Energy.

That said, obviously not all spiral beings are as powerful as Simon and Team Dai Gurren, just as not all Undertale humans are as powerful as Frisk.

 

[Squid_peanut]

what can spiral energy do out of mech?

Everything it can do in-mech. TTGL is pretty much made of Spiral Energy.
That said, obviously not all spiral beings are as powerful as Simon and Team Dai Gurren, just as not all Undertale humans are as powerful as Frisk.

well then, from what we know of what an army of UT humans could acomplish and the sheer durability via Determination (they'll probably want to win"

 

[Gnomishness]

Everything it can do in-mech. TTGL is pretty much made of Spiral Energy.

That said, obviously not all spiral beings are as powerful as Simon and Team Dai Gurren, just as not all Undertale humans are as powerful as Frisk.

Actually, we have no idea where Frisk stands in relation to the other humans of their setting.

We can guess that they're stronger than the other human souls since Frisk didn't stay dead, but we really have no idea about the extenuating circumstances of those humans. They could have just given up after hearing of the underground's plight and offered their souls freely, seeing no easy or moral alternative.

And finally, we need to remember, Frisk is a Child...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Actually, we have no idea where Frisk stands in relation to the other humans of their setting.

We can guess that they're stronger than the other human souls since Frisk didn't stay dead, but we really have no idea about the extenuating circumstances of those humans. They could have just given up after hearing of the underground's plight and offered their souls freely, seeing no easy or moral alternative.

And finally, we need to remember, Frisk is a Child...

It seems to be a common misconception that humans' souls get stronger with age in Undertale, though this is not the case. Only their bodies do. The only thing that matters for the power of a humans soul is their Determination and killing intent, as those are pretty much the deciding factors for power. Anyway, Asriel with one human soul was said to be able to casually murder an entire village of bloodlusted humans in an instant.

Frisk could hurt Omega Flowey, who had six.

Frisk could tank attacks from Asriel, who had the equivalent of seven.

Using Frisk's hijacked Determination, Chara killed everyone. This includes all humans and monsters. They did this in a single blow, as well.

I think it's safe to say Frisk dwarfs the rest of humanity in power.

 

[Squid_peanut]

The only thing that would make Frisk stronger as they grow older would be their body and that they would have more to protect.