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Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

No, it would "normally" kill you if you didn't have regeneration. Look at the context.
I know. But Nico is also talking about normal humans. Most of the Union are blatantly superhuman and have performed numerous superhuman acts.
 
I know. But Nico is also talking about normal humans. Most of the Union are blatantly superhuman and have performed numerous superhuman acts.
Not when it comes to travel speed they haven't. The only exception is Top. It's consistently shown that to travel at a certain speed your body needs protection and Nico's statement solidifies it even more
 
i think its silly to say that one volume extra comment wouldnt allow the possibility of on screen feats being faster than the speed of sound
 
i think its silly to say that one volume extra comment wouldnt allow the possibility of on screen feats being faster than the speed of sound
Honestly surprised he's using that to downplay the verse. There's other instances of characters moving far above the sos who are just fine with it. I'd say in context Nico is talking about regular humans as the volume extras are generally meant to explain and give details about stuff to us the reader, not the superhuman, law manipulating characters in the verse. There's even Billy using the ability and being fine with it, his body isn't getting burned by the friction, he's not needing to constantly regenerate from it. Just pure downplay on Taro's part. Also, this is mostly travel speed, where that friction is constant.
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Really hyped for the match ups we got, really want to see what Yusais got cooking

also really hyped for Unchange vs Change

but everything is really damn hype

i do hope all the master rules get stuff like what language vs nico got
 
i think its silly to say that one volume extra comment wouldnt allow the possibility of on screen feats being faster than the speed of sound
Weird cause I never said that? I said I wouldn't apply to moving at FTL speeds to people without regeneration.
Honestly surprised he's using that to downplay the verse. There's other instances of characters moving far above the sos who are just fine with it. I'd say in context Nico is talking about regular humans as the volume extras are generally meant to explain and give details about stuff to us the reader, not the superhuman, law manipulating characters in the verse. There's even Billy using the ability and being fine with it, his body isn't getting burned by the friction, he's not needing to constantly regenerate from it. Just pure downplay on Taro's part. Also, this is mostly travel speed, where that friction is constant.
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Because Unstoppable is specifically used for speed? Like, what? Negators aren't immune to laws of physics just because they are Negators. I already debunked you on this. But you're welcome to try and explain why Top would need a suit to reach MHS speeds but somehow Fuuko without one can perform the same feats without burning up. Not only is that not consistent but the Narrative does not support it
 
For the feat, remember that UU's solar system is ****** up and that it's size is not one to one with our own. It's smaller I think?
It should still resemble our own galaxy and distance from the sun. Especially since Galaxy Uma made it so that they have stars and such.
 
It should still resemble our own galaxy and distance from the sun. Especially since Galaxy Uma made it so that they have stars and such.
Ehhhhh. When was the last time we saw a shot of the earth and sun together on page? The last chapter? Because I remember they were quite close, especially when you take into account that the sun is way smaller than in real life.
 
Because Unstoppable is specifically used for speed?
Friction would still apply.

Negators aren't immune to laws of physics just because they are Negators.
No one said that.

Top would need a suit to reach MHS speeds but somehow Fuuko without one can perform the same feats without burning up. Not only is that not consistent but the Narrative does not support it
Top's speed is close to sub rel, Fuko isn't that. And also the suit is to protect Top and display the ke after stopping. You're comparing two different levels of speed so that's where the issue is. Top's ke is reaching 6-A meanwhile Fuko is barely close to Island level.
 
Ehhhhh. When was the last time we saw a shot of the earth and sun together on page? The last chapter? Because I remember they were quite close, especially when you take into account that the sun is way smaller than in real life.
Idk. If it hasn’t been said to be smaller than our own sun, then verse equalization still applies.
 
Friction would still apply.
Assuming he's going the speed of sound sure
No one said that.
Yes he did lmao
Top's speed is close to sub rel, Fuko isn't that. And also the suit is to protect Top and display the ke after stopping. You're comparing two different levels of speed so that's where the issue is. Top's ke is reaching 6-A meanwhile Fuko is barely close to Island level.
Buddy is literally saying she's FTL and Tops suit still has counter measures to friction. This is stated.
 
Assuming he's going the speed of sound sure
Bruh fr?

Yes he did lmao
Who?? You're responding to me btw.

Buddy is literally saying she's FTL and Tops suit still has counter measures to friction. This is stated.
I'm responding to you saying the mhs thing though?

explain why Top would need a suit to reach MHS speeds but somehow Fuuko without one can perform the same feats without burning up. Not only is that not consistent but the Narrative does not support it
Top's mhs is nearing sub rel speeds, Fuko isn't at that speed yet. Ya really should just wait for the manga to end instead of arguing and acting aggressively like you're right.
 
Idk. If it hasn’t been said to be smaller than our own sun, then verse equalization still applies.
It doesn't have to be said if the sun is smaller than our own sun, if it is shown to be smaller. It's a bit hard to mess up the size when the sun irl is thousands of times bigger than our plannet iirc, so if it's shown to be smaller in the series, I feel like it would be on purpose.
 
Who?? You're responding to me btw.
Read the thread?
I'm responding to you saying the mhs thing though?
It still applies although I'm more accepting of MHS than FTL
Top's mhs is nearing sub rel speeds, Fuko isn't at that speed yet. Ya really should just wait for the manga to end instead of arguing and acting aggressively like you're right.
I am right though. Nico said friction via going near the speed of sound will kill you. Indisputable. Fuuko logically shouldn't be able to to travel at the that speed without burning up. Doesn't matter what speed Top is nearing in his suit. At MHS speeds he would have died without the suit.
 
It doesn't have to be said if the sun is smaller than our own sun, if it is shown to be smaller. It's a bit hard to mess up the size when the sun irl is thousands of times bigger than our plannet iirc, so if it's shown to be smaller in the series, I feel like it would be on purpose.
I've actually measured the sun's size, it's not immensely smaller than our on but yeah its smaller.
 
I'm in favour of separating travel and combat speed for any and all verses on the wiki, including UxU.

That being said, Nico's quote doesn't cap travel speed below the speed of sound. You'd need to prove that he's including the superhumans of the Union (i.e. Shen, Fūko, Feng, etc.) in that, and that it's not just a general statement of humans.
 
I'm in favour of seperating travel and combat speed for any and all verses on the wiki, including UxU.

That being said, Nico's quote doesn't cap travel speed below the speed of sound. You'd need to prove that he's including the superhumans of the Union (i.e. Shen, Fūko, Feng, etc.) in that, and that it's not just a general statement of humans.
If the only speedster on the team needs protection from friction, why wouldn't the others? They can't magically be more resistant than the guy whose whole thing is speed. Also, look at the context of the statement. He is talking about something he made for Andy, someone with regeneration. That is why he is saying "Normally" because Andy can survive it and it only reaches near the speed of sound via something only Andy can do (pumping blood into it)
 
I am right though. Nico said friction via going near the speed of sound will kill you. Indisputable.
He didn't though. He said normally that would happen. And from basic inference we can tell Nico isn't stating that for the characters, its for us the reader. Top's already gone sos even before this, the author shows vapor cones constantly for him, and yet Top doesn't die from the friction, Top's not somehow resisting the friction here, these characters are just durable enough to do so.
 
He didn't though. He said normally that would happen. And from basic inference we can tell Nico isn't stating that for the characters, its for us the reader. Top's already gone sos even before this, the author shows vapor cones constantly for him, and yet Top doesn't die from the friction, Top's not somehow resisting the friction here, these characters are just durable enough to do so.
You literally said Top showing vapor cones was not an indicator for his speed so which is it? You can try to twist the context all you like but he is talking about Andy. Not to mention there is no friction even being displayed meaning they are not even going fast enough to produce it lol
 
You literally said Top showing vapor cones was not an indicator for his speed so which is it? You can try to twist the context all you like but he is talking about Andy.
It's an indicator of reaching a speed but not an indicator of his speed. No one's twisting it lmao, it says "you" he's not speaking to Andy there.
 
If the only speedster on the team needs protection from friction, why wouldn't the others?
From sub-relativistic speeds, no? And being a speedster isn't exactly the same as having the durability to survive transonic friction.

Also, look at the context of the statement. He is talking about something he made for Andy, someone with regeneration. That is why he is saying "Normally" because Andy can survive it and it only reaches near the speed of sound via something only Andy can do (pumping blood into it)
This is headcanon. "Normally" can just refer to normal humans. There are a multitude of abnormal humans among the Union.
 
So Fuuko and Andy interpreting Luck and Dead would be considered reaction speed? I’m fine with that.
 
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