Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

[Cire]

Doesn't matter what the assumption is, can't do ke calcs at ls. There's also the fact that the destruction isn't represented at all. What moment are you talking about anyway?

The movement where Beast and Language fly to Earth from the Sun. Also, it’s not about calcing this specific feat. It’s about showing that characters can move at this speed and survive just fine.

 

[Arkenis]

The movement where Beast and Language fly to Earth from the Sun. Also, it’s not about calcing this specific feat. It’s about showing that characters can move at this speed and survive just fine.

What does that have to do with Top though? I asked if anyone blocks or tanked his full speed. Just cause they can move at that speed doesn't mean they scale.

 

[Cire]

Here

 

[Cire]

What does that have to do with Top though? I asked if anyone blocks or tanked his full speed. Just cause they can move at that speed doesn't mean they scale.

My main point is that if the Master Rules, folks who are narratively stronger than everyone of Loop 100 guys (excluding Juiz) can survive an impact going from the sun to the Earth at such high speeds, and characters like Fuuko can keep up with them, then she scales.

 

[Cire]

Here

ah wait strike this. I just realized it took them seven days to reach Earth. I thought it was a couple of seconds. My bad.

 

[Arkenis]

My main point is that if the Master Rules, folks who are narratively stronger than everyone of Loop 100 guys (excluding Juiz) can survive an impact going from the sun to the Earth at such high speeds, and characters like Fuuko can keep up with them, then she scales.

We don't scale one's ke to another's speed who has KE calcs. Otherwise majority of verses would have characters being mountain level or city level just cuz they're lightning speed.

 

[Cire]

The most recent chapter, however, did show FTL speeds of the Master Rules flying from Earth to the Sun in a very short amount of time. Andy was able to keep up with them for centuries, and Fuuko can keep up with his speed in battle.

 

[Damage3245]

Flight speed is not necessarily the same as combat speed.

 

[Cire]

We don't scale one's ke to another's speed who has KE calcs. Otherwise majority of verses would have characters being mountain level or city level just cuz they're lightning speed.

i may have messed up my explanation then.

 

[Cire]

Still, I do think that Loop 100 Top’s power can be attributed to others. Andy is straight up called the strongest Negator, and Fuuko is strong enough to keep up with him in battle.

 

[Arkenis]

Still, I do think that Loop 100 Top’s power can be attributed to others. Andy is straight up called the strongest Negator, and Fuuko is strong enough to keep up with him in battle.

Andy's strongest statement is more than his physical power, its in reference to how developed he is a negator in the world. Fuko can not keep up with Andy at all. She was losing to Sick, and now got slapped by Ruin.

 

[Cire]

Andy's strongest statement is more than his physical power, its in reference to how developed he is a negator in the world. Fuko can not keep up with Andy at all. She was losing to Sick, and now got slapped by Ruin.

I would not say she lost to Ruin at alll. She was beating his ass most of the fight. Hell, she blitzed him by tearing his head off. The only reason why she was losing was because of his negation. Any other opponent would have been one shot.

 

[Cire]

Andy's strongest statement is more than his physical power, its in reference to how developed he is a negator in the world. Fuko can not keep up with Andy at all. She was losing to Sick, and now got slapped by Ruin.

Yet, he still fought off the Master Rules for countless millennia and directly matched Soul, who was considered the strongest Master Rule.

 

[Arkenis]

I would not say she lost to Ruin at alll. She was beating his ass most of the fight. Hell, she blitzed him by tearing his head off.

He let her rip his head off. He smiles seeing her attack, he just wanted to provoke her and then later on keeps up and fights Andy.

Yet, he still fought off the Master Rules for countless millennia and directly matched Soul, who was considered the strongest Master Rule.

He held them off via his soul. We're never told he's just been fighting them countless times. If anything the fact Time is surprised by Andy's resistance to his rule would show they haven't fought much. Same with Soul's statement. Soul's likely considered the strongest because they all use him in their own rules. Oh and I forgot, they haven't been able to all move till recently, meaning Andy was likely just stopping one or two at a time throughout the years.

 

[Cire]

He let her rip his head off. He smiles seeing her attack, he just wanted to provoke her and then later on keeps up and fights Andy.


He held them off via his soul. We're never told he's just been fighting them countless times. If anything the fact Time is surprised by Andy's resistance to his rule would show they haven't fought much. Same with Soul's statement. Soul's likely considered the strongest because they all use him in their own rules. Oh and I forgot, they haven't been able to all move till recently, meaning Andy was likely just stopping one or two at a time throughout the years.

He’s been fighting them ever since the rules opened. So a fair amount of time. Also, it’s pretty clear that being the strongest straight up means that you’re the toughest to take down as well. Like his soul is basically invincible. Also, we don’t know if Soul’s the strongest just by others using his power. He’s the only one able to stalemate Andy, who was fodderizing the rest of the Rules.

 

[Arkenis]

He’s been fighting them ever since the rules opened.

I'm saying he's been fighting some, we know he's just been holding them back with his soul though.

So a fair amount of time. Also, it’s pretty clear that being the strongest straight up means that you’re the toughest to take down as well. Like his soul is basically invincible. Also, we don’t know if Soul’s the strongest just by others using his power. He’s the only one able to stalemate Andy, who was fodderizing the rest of the Rules.

These statements aren't about raw power. Soul says he's the strongest after going over his skill in soul manipulation and amazed he's so powerful with it even though he's not his vessel. Soul says they can't beat him because they all lack experience. It is all about their soul manipulation.

 

[Cire]

Also, that’s not even going into the fact that the Superior Rules are stated to be even stronger than the normal Uma, like Uma Galaxy. Who can create an entire galaxy at once. Even if you say that it’s just haxes, his whole existence is a galaxy, and the other Rules are plainly stated to be stronger than him. They even use the term “Absolute Power” as well.

 

[Arkenis]

Also, that’s not even going into the fact that the Superior Rules are stated to be even stronger than the normal Uma, like Uma Galaxy. Who can create an entire galaxy at once. Even if you say that it’s just haxes, his whole existence is a galaxy, and the other Rules are plainly stated to be stronger than him. They even use the term “Absolute Power” as well.

I've already gone over this with someone else before. Don't wanna do it again lol. If you wanna believe the characters are galaxy level or wtv then go ahead.

 

[Cire]

I've already gone over this with someone else before. Don't wanna do it again lol. If you wanna believe the characters are galaxy level or wtv then go ahead.

Is it because you think it’s haxs instead of a raw power thing?

 

[Cire]

A good FTL feat for Fuuko and Andy. The Master Rules are able to fly at high speeds to reach the Sun in a very short amount of time. And Andy and Fuuko can intercept them mid flight.

 

[SDTaro]

Any normal person without regen can't go faster than the speed of sound according to Nico so for travel speed I wouldn't apply it to Fuuko.

A good FTL feat for Fuuko and Andy. The Master Rules are able to fly at high speeds to reach the Sun in a very short amount of time. And Andy and Fuuko can intercept them mid flight.

 

[Cire]

Any normal person without regen can't go faster than the speed of sound according to Nico so for travel speed I wouldn't apply it to Fuuko.

We directly see her stop a flying Master Rule though. And Fuuko’s physicals are much stronger than a normal person. She should easily scale to this.

 

[Cire]

Any normal person without regen can't go faster than the speed of sound according to Nico so for travel speed I wouldn't apply it to Fuuko.

Also, isn’t Fuuko already faster than sound in this wiki?

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She’s already Massively Hypersonic.

 

[SDTaro]

We directly see her stop a flying Master Rule though. And Fuuko’s physicals are much stronger than a normal person. She should easily scale to this.

MHS is alright I guess even if it's still wrong but FTL nah. I'll probably get that changed later anyway. But what you posted is a reaction feat which is fine. I'm talking about travel which is what I initially thought you were referring to.

 

[Cire]

MHS is alright I guess even if it's still wrong but FTL nah. I'll probably get that changed later anyway. But what you posted is a reaction feat which is fine. I'm talking about travel which is what I initially thought you were referring to.

I mean, on screen feats trump narrative statements. We directly see characters dodge lighting and we directly see multiple characters fly from the sun.

 

[SDTaro]

I mean, on screen feats trump narrative statements. We directly see characters dodge lighting and we directly see multiple characters fly from the sun.

You can't move that fast within the verse without a suit. Top showed that. I already made a CRT debunking this. Fuuko shouldn't be MHS in travel and definitely not FTL. Like I said before if everyone could move that fast then Top wouldn't need a suit to survive MHS speeds

 

[Cire]

You can't move that fast within the verse without a suit. Top showed that. I already made a CRT debunking this. Fuuko shouldn't be MHS in travel and definitely not FTL. Like I said before if everyone could move that fast then Top wouldn't need a suit to survive MHS speeds

I mean you say that, but look at what has happened in the series. The Master Rules constantly fly back and forth from the Sun to the Earth. And Andy and Fuuko can stop them mid flight. Clear cut to me. You’re basically arguing with plain evidence.

 

[SDTaro]

I mean you say that, but look at what has happened in the series. The Master Rules constantly fly back and forth from the Sun to the Earth. And Andy and Fuuko can stop them mid flight. Clear cut to me. You’re basically arguing with plain evidence.

And it's not consistent. You can't ignore the rules they already set in place for the narrative. But good luck proving a normal human is FTL when the lead scientist of the verse says going near the speed of sound will kill you.

 

[Cire]

And it's not consistent. You can't ignore the rules they already set in place for the narrative. But good luck proving a normal human is FTL when the lead scientist of the verse says going near the speed of sound will kill you.

I mean I did. By showing Fuuko incepting FTL beings. And what do you mean not consistent? All this just happened two chapters ago.

 

[Cire]

Also Fuuko is much more than a normal human now. She’s listed as Large Mountain for goodness sake lol.

 

[SDTaro]

I mean I did. By showing Fuuko incepting FTL beings. And what do you mean not consistent? All this just happened two chapters ago.

recent =/= consistent but hey man make a CRT if you're confident it will stand lol

 

[Cire]

recent =/= consistent but hey man make a CRT if you're confident it will stand lol

Can’t. Feat hasn’t been calced yet.

 

[SDTaro]

Can’t. Feat hasn’t been calced yet.

No reason to tbh but aye

 

[Arkenis]

Any normal person without regen can't go faster than the speed of sound according to Nico so for travel speed I wouldn't apply it to Fuuko.

What chapter did he say this?

 

[SDTaro]

What chapter did he say this?

It's a volume extra

 

[Arkenis]

It's a volume extra

Oh send it

 

[SDTaro]

Oh send it

How you send images I forgot lmao

 

[Arkenis]

How you send images I forgot lmao

Just through imgur or copy the address and link it

 

[SDTaro]

Just through imgur or copy the address and link it

 

[Arkenis]

This doesn't say what you said?