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Basically there's gonna be a few changes to the multipliers and scaling in the Ultra Series since there's quite a few outdated and missed info.
Multipliers
Several vs Many
So in this thread I've basically brought up how the term 何倍 many times in Japanese is at least 3 and not 4. From the looks of it everybody pretty much agree and its just a downgrade and not an upgrade so I think I'll just go ahead with it now since no staff replied about it even after I've contacted them for a year and a half ago. So this thread will basically be changing some of the multipliers that the Ultra Series currently uses due to this change regarding several and many in Japanese. Basically the 4x multipliers in this blog that are 4x using the words many times will be decreased to 3x.
Power Form Multiplier
No clue why I didn’t do this years ago. But basically some power forms like Burnmite Orb still aren’t considered to be a 3x multiplier on their Base Form even though they should as all other Power Forms in the series has a several times multiplier statement or scale to each other’s Power Form which is 3x their Base Form.
Also Burnmite Orb has actually been shown to fight alongside a power form like Strong-Corona Zero in the Geed movie. Geed had to use Magnificent which is his Super Form that has a higher multiplier to keep up because his Base Form Primitive was weaker than the other two Ultras’s Base Form at this point in time during his series.
Super Form Multiplier
Currently for Super Forms only Magnificent Geed is considered a 5x boost while the others aren't despite scaling above their power form which are 3x base to the point where they stomp those comparable to their Power Form. So let's fix that a bit
In Ultra Galaxy Fight 1, X, Orb, and Geed were incapable of defeating their dark counterparts with their Power Form so they transformed into their Super Form to defeat them. And the ones that X and Orb used alongside Geed's Magnificent were Ultimate Armor X and Emerium Slugger Orb. And at this point in time they were all treated as comparable to each other in Base. So other Ultras' Super Forms should scale to 5x Base just like Geed's Magnificent Form. Super Forms being 5x Base Form is supported by the fact that Z's Super Form Gamma Future is superior to King Joe STORAGE Custom who has 5x stronger than Windom STORAGE Custom who is in turn stronger than Sevenger who is comparable to Original Z (Base Z). So Super Forms being at least 5x Base and stronger than Power Forms is consistent throughout the series.
The Super Forms are all shown to be comparable to other Super Forms in some form. Examples being
Knight Victory being comparable to Exceed X (X's own super form and not the one he copied from Zero via technology)
Ginga Strium, Knight Victory, and Photon Earth Taiga being comparable
So there's actually quite a bit of supporting evidence that the Super Forms are comparable to each other and stronger than their Power Forms which supports them having a slightly bigger multiplier.
Zero vs Belial further supports this as Strong-Corona Zero which is his power form is somewhat capable of matching and harming Kaiser Darkness Belial who is equal to Ultimate Zero which is Zero's own Super Form. Showing that there is a gap between Super Form and Power Form but its not too big.
Ultimate Form/Fusion Multiplier
Gruebe who is Rosso and Blu's Ultimate Form is twice as strong as Ruebe who is shown to be comparable to Royal Mega Master Geed who is 25x stronger than Primitive Geed (Base Geed). New Gen Ultras' Base Form are always shown to be comparable and also constantly shown to be equal to each others's Ultimate Forms. So Ultimate Forms should be treated as 50x their Base Forms. Consistent with how Super Taro (Fusion of the Ultra Brothers) is pretty much Taro's equivalent of an Ultimate Form and has a 50x multiplier. Not to mention most Ultimate are fusions which have statements of being tens of times stronger than their Base Forms.
X's Hybrid and Beta Spark Armor Multipliers
Outside of that I also wanted to remove the multipliers for X's Hybrid Armor and Beta Spark Armor as those are outdated multipliers that were used when it scaled above the old Ultimate Armor multiplier of 20x which we no longer use. So instead Hybrid Armor should just be considered an unquantifiable multiplier that scales to Final Form Greeza while Beta Spark Armor should just scale to the likes of Gruebe and Orb Trinity for being X's Ultimate Form.
Zero's Shining Form Multiplier
Shining's proposed 2x multiplier was originally rejected in this thread because there wasn't enough proof of it. But I just remembered that there actually is a few other evidences that proves Shining is at least 2x Ultimate.
So basically Ultraman Belial was originally 4-B prior to being possessed by Reiblood's soul who is at least 3-B+ for defeating Galaxy Crisis Era Ultraman. But after being possessed by Reiblood and in turn fusing with him Belial has now become 3-A. Over 1.5x baseline to be exact as the combination beam of three 3-B+ is nothing to him. So it’s shown that in series, possession/fusion is more than just simple addition of power and even multiplies their power to some extent. So taking the low end possession should at least be the two characters's powers being added together.
And in Ultra Zero Fight, Zero Darkness is shown to be Kaiser Darkness Belial possessing and fusing with Ultimate Zero. So this means Zero Darkness should be at the very least twice as strong as Kaiser Darkness Belial and Ultimate Zero as its the two of them fused together. And Shining Zero is Zero's strongest form and also shown to be able to overpower Zero Darkness. And should thus scale above Zero Darkness.
Ultimate Shining Zero, which is treated as being Zero's equivalent of an Ultimate Form is just Ultimate stacked on Shining. And it's also implied to be stronger than Reiga who is New Generation Super Taro. And as I said before Super Taro has a 50x multiplier. So if Shining being twice as strong as Ultimate gets accepted it would also support Ultimate Shining being 50x Base like the other Ultimate Forms as its
5 (Ultimate) x 10 (Shining) = 50 (Ultimate Shining)
TLDR
Multipliers
Multipliers
Several vs Many
So in this thread I've basically brought up how the term 何倍 many times in Japanese is at least 3 and not 4. From the looks of it everybody pretty much agree and its just a downgrade and not an upgrade so I think I'll just go ahead with it now since no staff replied about it even after I've contacted them for a year and a half ago. So this thread will basically be changing some of the multipliers that the Ultra Series currently uses due to this change regarding several and many in Japanese. Basically the 4x multipliers in this blog that are 4x using the words many times will be decreased to 3x.
Power Form Multiplier
No clue why I didn’t do this years ago. But basically some power forms like Burnmite Orb still aren’t considered to be a 3x multiplier on their Base Form even though they should as all other Power Forms in the series has a several times multiplier statement or scale to each other’s Power Form which is 3x their Base Form.
Also Burnmite Orb has actually been shown to fight alongside a power form like Strong-Corona Zero in the Geed movie. Geed had to use Magnificent which is his Super Form that has a higher multiplier to keep up because his Base Form Primitive was weaker than the other two Ultras’s Base Form at this point in time during his series.
Super Form Multiplier
Currently for Super Forms only Magnificent Geed is considered a 5x boost while the others aren't despite scaling above their power form which are 3x base to the point where they stomp those comparable to their Power Form. So let's fix that a bit
In Ultra Galaxy Fight 1, X, Orb, and Geed were incapable of defeating their dark counterparts with their Power Form so they transformed into their Super Form to defeat them. And the ones that X and Orb used alongside Geed's Magnificent were Ultimate Armor X and Emerium Slugger Orb. And at this point in time they were all treated as comparable to each other in Base. So other Ultras' Super Forms should scale to 5x Base just like Geed's Magnificent Form. Super Forms being 5x Base Form is supported by the fact that Z's Super Form Gamma Future is superior to King Joe STORAGE Custom who has 5x stronger than Windom STORAGE Custom who is in turn stronger than Sevenger who is comparable to Original Z (Base Z). So Super Forms being at least 5x Base and stronger than Power Forms is consistent throughout the series.
The Super Forms are all shown to be comparable to other Super Forms in some form. Examples being
Knight Victory being comparable to Exceed X (X's own super form and not the one he copied from Zero via technology)
Ginga Strium, Knight Victory, and Photon Earth Taiga being comparable
So there's actually quite a bit of supporting evidence that the Super Forms are comparable to each other and stronger than their Power Forms which supports them having a slightly bigger multiplier.
Zero vs Belial further supports this as Strong-Corona Zero which is his power form is somewhat capable of matching and harming Kaiser Darkness Belial who is equal to Ultimate Zero which is Zero's own Super Form. Showing that there is a gap between Super Form and Power Form but its not too big.
Ultimate Form/Fusion Multiplier
Gruebe who is Rosso and Blu's Ultimate Form is twice as strong as Ruebe who is shown to be comparable to Royal Mega Master Geed who is 25x stronger than Primitive Geed (Base Geed). New Gen Ultras' Base Form are always shown to be comparable and also constantly shown to be equal to each others's Ultimate Forms. So Ultimate Forms should be treated as 50x their Base Forms. Consistent with how Super Taro (Fusion of the Ultra Brothers) is pretty much Taro's equivalent of an Ultimate Form and has a 50x multiplier. Not to mention most Ultimate are fusions which have statements of being tens of times stronger than their Base Forms.
X's Hybrid and Beta Spark Armor Multipliers
Outside of that I also wanted to remove the multipliers for X's Hybrid Armor and Beta Spark Armor as those are outdated multipliers that were used when it scaled above the old Ultimate Armor multiplier of 20x which we no longer use. So instead Hybrid Armor should just be considered an unquantifiable multiplier that scales to Final Form Greeza while Beta Spark Armor should just scale to the likes of Gruebe and Orb Trinity for being X's Ultimate Form.
Zero's Shining Form Multiplier
Shining's proposed 2x multiplier was originally rejected in this thread because there wasn't enough proof of it. But I just remembered that there actually is a few other evidences that proves Shining is at least 2x Ultimate.
So basically Ultraman Belial was originally 4-B prior to being possessed by Reiblood's soul who is at least 3-B+ for defeating Galaxy Crisis Era Ultraman. But after being possessed by Reiblood and in turn fusing with him Belial has now become 3-A. Over 1.5x baseline to be exact as the combination beam of three 3-B+ is nothing to him. So it’s shown that in series, possession/fusion is more than just simple addition of power and even multiplies their power to some extent. So taking the low end possession should at least be the two characters's powers being added together.
And in Ultra Zero Fight, Zero Darkness is shown to be Kaiser Darkness Belial possessing and fusing with Ultimate Zero. So this means Zero Darkness should be at the very least twice as strong as Kaiser Darkness Belial and Ultimate Zero as its the two of them fused together. And Shining Zero is Zero's strongest form and also shown to be able to overpower Zero Darkness. And should thus scale above Zero Darkness.
Ultimate Shining Zero, which is treated as being Zero's equivalent of an Ultimate Form is just Ultimate stacked on Shining. And it's also implied to be stronger than Reiga who is New Generation Super Taro. And as I said before Super Taro has a 50x multiplier. So if Shining being twice as strong as Ultimate gets accepted it would also support Ultimate Shining being 50x Base like the other Ultimate Forms as its
5 (Ultimate) x 10 (Shining) = 50 (Ultimate Shining)
TLDR
Multipliers
- Some 4x multipliers become 3x multipliers because many is at minimum the same boost as several not above it.
- Power Forms will be considered a 3x Base Form multiplier
- Super Forms will be considered a 5x Base Form multiplier
- Ultimate Forms/Fusions will be considered a 50x Base Form multiplier
- Remove the multipliers for X's Hybrid Armor and Beta Spark Armor on his profile as they are outdated
- Shining becomes 2x Ultimate or in other words a 10x Base multiplier
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