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I am also voting for Knuckles for reasons above
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Two Warrior Monks. Knuckles (Sonic X) vs Jago
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Somebody should count the votes already.
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What makes the AP negligible? As for your argument of Knuckles fighting a thousand-year-old, imo the same could be said about Jago fighting much more ancient characters in the cast like Gargos or Eyedol. I do agree that age doesn't equal skill but Jago still has the edge there, he has fought the cast even without his powers.Maverick Zero X said:
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Knuckles has 7, Jago has 3 I think
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Tusk is over 10,000 and easily one of the strongest fighters in the series and Jago's skills still compare to him.Maverick Zero X said:
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^Maybe, I think there's a lot to re-evaluate here before calling a win because these were literally the only arguments:
"Knuckles beat a guy who was over 1000 and stronger than him"
"Knuckles FRA. He's not unused to facing people stronger and more experienced than him and coming out in top."
Neither sounds convincing, everything else is just FRA spam.
"Knuckles beat a guy who was over 1000 and stronger than him"
"Knuckles FRA. He's not unused to facing people stronger and more experienced than him and coming out in top."
Neither sounds convincing, everything else is just FRA spam.
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You only discount votes if they are objectively wrong, like "I vote via AP" when the opponent has the AP, not if they don't "sound convincing"
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Wow this became active lol
Well if Jago can keep pace with someone that's got ten k worth of experience that rends the experience edge moot wouldn't it?
Well if Jago can keep pace with someone that's got ten k worth of experience that rends the experience edge moot wouldn't it?
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Not really, experience isn't mesuread just by fighting people stronger than you, there's other factors
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Well, if we're being objective you just came and said Knuckles beat a 1,000 year old stronger than him without any references.Theuser789 said:
The other guy says he's not unused to fighting people stronger than he is and coming out on top but without seeing any track records that suggest that it could be seen as an assumption simply because we don't even know the guys he's talking about. Been a while since I watched the show but I don't recall Knuckles being that damned.
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Perhaps but it's the argument being used here for Knuckles apparently. We know this of Jago, he has formal training, he can beat enemies based on his skills rather than strength whereas all I've seen of Kncukles in the show is "Punch it, punch it, punch it" and he also has powers that aren't being accounted for like TK and energy projection.Theuser789 said:
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I never said anything like that, read the thread again
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Iirc Jago doesn't use TK to ragdoll but he can throw things to harass
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True but you did ask why Jago would be more skilled and that's what I'm getting at. Skill may be a subjective area but the criteria we're using here points at Jago being superior, he's not just a martial artist, his skills are actually what he relies on more than power, the entire point of the comics was that he and the other two mains can kick ass without any enhancements.
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I also never asked anything at all
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This says otherwise. Honestly, can we actually debate this? We're only backtracking on what you may or may haven't said. Here's some points, Jago has an AP advantage of almost 3 gigatons, has the skill advantage from what I can tell and I'm waiting for an argument on durability for Knuckles.Maverick Zero X said:
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I am not Maverick lol
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I'm using Maverick as a point of reference since everyone after said FRA. You said FRA, for reasons above, and those were the reasons above. So their argument is your argument.
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Uh, no, it isn't, that's not how it works, I didn't make the argument, I just voted because I thought his argument was better, that doesn't make it my argument, therefore I am not going to debate based on other people's arguments
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If you're not using their reasons you might as well just said Knuckles and ditched the fra. If you thought their argument was better then that is your argument but if the argument is proven wrong then you have nothing. So you either present some sort of valid argument yourself or just state that you're voting just because, randomly.
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Dude, you are overcomplicating this, yes, I did vote for their reasons, however I wasn't the one who made the reasons, so I can't debate on a argument that I didn't make it myself, aka debate for other people, that's literaly it, it's not hard to understand
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I'm not complicating anything, you either debate on the subject or not, else you're the one complicating things by contributing to misinformation, casting a vote on something you don't have enough interest on to tackle completely. You might as well have said you like Knuckles but never heard of Jago so you're sticking to what you know.
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And I choose the "not" part because I didn't make the arguments, all I did was agree
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And you're going to have to understand if from there on the voting isn't taken seriously. I think there's a reasonable cause to simply ignore the votes so far since none had a decent argument to be based on. Not like this thread is moving anyway, been a while since the votes were counted.
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Votes are only discounted if the arguments are objectively wrong, not if you don't think they are "decent"
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None of those were arguments, the dude just asked why Jago would be more skilled, left the talk before I came in to answer and hasn't made a statement since. The other one is a fallacy too, when has Knuckles fought anyone more experienced and stronger than him and how many times? These points are wrong, your vote doesn't crap because you're actively avoiding the debate. So you either debate me right now and make a case for Knuckles or I'm just going to disregard your stance altogether.
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