TSBs nullify potency.

[AstralKing7]

interesting interesting im kinda leaning towards tsb being able to null any attack since it can how can i say this, change the matter of anything that has matter including energy but this only a theroy based on what we see in the manga. If the matter doesnt have senjutsu than its gets eraced. Thats how I see it all.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

IDK, I don't think it nullifies persey, but the TSB will Disintegrate on a molecular level anything it touches. It doesn't forcefully destroy on a molecular level, it just whatever it touches is dismantelled on a molecular level automatically.

So It more or less "neutralizes" physical or energy based attacks by dismantelling them on a molecular level, not "Nullify" them. To say that the TSB can't neutralize attacks that at a basic level destroy on a higher tier than tier 5 is....well, baseless. I get the NLF feeling of it, but it's not indefinite. People have abilities that get over it and what have you.

Examples:

• If Jiren from DBS tried to Punch a TSB, his fist would be dismantled at a molecular level.

• If Jiren tried to Blast a TSB, the energy would be dismantled on a molcular level.

Somethng to note that a lot of people don't/wont understand:

• Energy attacks in DB can destroy on a Cellular level and lower, sure. But it doesn't initially attack on that level. these attacks and all attacks like these in fiction simply destroy on these levels by forcefully breaking those molecular/chemical bonds, unless stated to actually attack on lower levels. like in the case of Jinton which is specifically stated to disintegrate on a molecular level.

That's how these abilities ignore conventional durability. in DB, they don't ignore durability by attacking on this level, instead, it's the durability of someone can't withstand the force of the energy being applied to them and their bonds begin to break down. There is a difference, which ios why, TSB should for example, be able to withstand say, a blast capable of destroying a universe so long as that blast isn't destroying on a level lower than Molecular by force alone. That's not a NLF, that's just the nature of the ability. TSB have no potency unless you negate their Disintegration and nullification properties. Then, they're at best High 6-A to 5-B depending on who you're facing.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Astral

So, in your eyes, TSBs would be able to stop something from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan? Because that's what I'm getting here.

 

[Rocker1189]

Welp TFO said it the best.

 

[PaChi2]

Examples:

If Jiren from DBS tried to Punch a TSB, his fist would be dismantled at a molecular level.

If Jiren tried to Blast a TSB, the energy would be dismantled on a molcular level.

...I can't.

 

[AstralKing7]

@TheFinalOrder explained it better than i did. it looks like the energy attacks are getting dismantled

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

┬░_┬░

 

[Rocker1189]

Well, I think I am out of here, I think I can see where this is going lmao. good luck peeps.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

TFO explained it really well.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

What is the strongest non-Senjutsu attack TSB has ever tanked anyway?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

And note, the TSB isn't gonna stop the blast or whatever from occuring, just the part that touches it is getting dismantelled.

 

[Omimi]

TFO explained all what i had in my mind

 

[Rocker1189]

I mean let us be honest you guys can not disprove that the TSB destroys things on a molecular level. Since it was literally said to do so. It then comes down to do you think that Jiren (for example) can survive molecular destruction.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

What is the strongest non-Senjutsu attack TSB has ever thanked anyway?

The TSB don't "Tank" anything not senjutsu related. That's the problem. They have no Durability/AP until Sen-jutsu related attacks come into contact.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Obito tanked 4 giant BB of himself without getting scratched.But they were infused with natural energy i guess,since he was Juubi Jin.

 

[Heilergott]

TFO said it well. So how are we going to write it down.

"Desintergrating anything Below and Equal to its Level, including Energy and other Equalized things" is a bit long.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Even Onoki can desintegrate energy based attacks,TSB is superior to it.

 

[Omimi]

also TSB molecular destruction =/= TSB power null

TSB molecular destruction and TSB power null are 2 different Technique

 

[Chartate101]

IDK, I don't think it nullifies persey, but the TSB will Disintegrate on a molecular level anything it touches. It doesn't forcefully destroy on a molecular level, it just whatever it touches is dismantelled on a molecular level automatically.

Quite literally No Limits Fallacy. "Anything it touches"

 

[Rocker1189]

That is true. So it can null things at its power level and below but can bypass durability with molecular destruction. I dont see anything wrong with that.

 

[Heilergott]

As it seems the Power Null works by doing just that. Where there IS no Energy, Energy cannot do its work. Meaning it Nulls by Dissolving said Energy, and as it seems, preventing it from being replenished. Ergo, one is the cause and the other is the effect.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Then TSB is simply Matter Destruction that works up to molecular level, I don't see anything that suggest that it has null element. Perhaps "Limited Power Null" for TSB would, but not outright Power null. It also doesn't have regen negation element too since it's never been used against someone with High-level Regen, TSB at best, can bypass Mid-High regen.

Also, have you all forgot that Higher enough AP can atomzied the lower tier? I don't see why a 3-A energy attack can't atomized TSB on contact. Heck, Anti-Spiral can break down matter down to Quantum level with energy attack, re you suggesting that TSB null that? Of course not, far superior AP and matter destruction can actually destroy TSB due how the jutsu works.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

No one said that Anti spiral cant destroy them,especially when he has matter manip above TSB.

 

[Rocker1189]

Then TSB is simply Matter Destruction that works up to molecular level, I don't see anything that suggest that it has null element. Perhaps "Limited Power Null" for TSB would, but not outright Power null. It also doesn't have regen negation element too since it's never been used against someone with High-level Regen, TSB at best, can bypass Mid-High regen.
Also, have you all forgot that Higher enough AP can atomzied the lower tier? I don't see why a 3-A energy attack can't atomized TSB on contact. Heck, Anti-Spiral can break down matter down to Quantum level with energy attack, re you suggesting that TSB null that? Of course not, far superior AP and matter destruction can actually destroy TSB due how the jutsu works.

1. It works beyonf molecular destruction, to what degree we dont know.

2. It's regen negation works by cancelling out the energy the regen is based on (has to be energy though) and does not rely on it's molecular destruction.

3. That is true.

4. I done see how Anti-Spiral's attacks have anythiing to do with this.

 

[Heilergott]

TSB has to have some kind of Null. It does not just Dissolve, it also prevents it from ever working again. The damage seems to be the closest thing to permanent there is in the Narutoverse. If it would just Dissolve once on Contact, Edo Tensei could heal. Instead it cannot be healed, even with that.

Also, how TF do you atomoze Energy. It does not have Atoms.

 

[Omimi]

Quite literally No Limits Fallacy. "Anything it touches"

how

fire can burn Anything it touches so would u call it No Limits Fallacy

 

[Rocker1189]

Quite literally No Limits Fallacy. "Anything it touches"

Annnd another person using NLF wrong.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Omimi

So you're telling me that if Superman stuck his hand in a fire, he'd burn?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Heilrgott

I dont know really,Onoki did that with Jinton.Of caurse Susanoo can be damaged physically but Jinton is ability that desintegrates on molecular lvl and he affected them.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Then TSB is simply Matter Destruction that works up to molecular level, I don't see anything that suggest that it has null element. Perhaps "Limited Power Null" for TSB would, but not outright Power null. It also doesn't have regen negation element too since it's never been used against someone with High-level Regen, TSB at best, can bypass Mid-High regen.
Also, have you all forgot that Higher enough AP can atomzied the lower tier? I don't see why a 3-A energy attack can't atomized TSB on contact. Heck, Anti-Spiral can break down matter down to Quantum level with energy attack, re you suggesting that TSB null that? Of course not, far superior AP and matter destruction can actually destroy TSB due how the jutsu works.

@The Bolded

I touched upon that already.

And no, the TSB has both Power Null and Molecular Disintegration:

• Without it's power Null, it's it's already compared and stated to be superior to Ohnoki's Jinton which is a technique that bypasses conventional durability by disintegrating on a molecular level (Both MAtter and Energy)

• Later, it's confirmed to also do Power Null by Tobirama when it demonstrates the ability to prevent the Edo-Tensei body from regenerating.

It's a double whamy. A two piece KFC special w/o the Mashed Potatoes, etc.

 

[Heilergott]

Can we come to a conclusion?

We have, up to this point, agreed on TSB being:

A -> Destruction to at least Atomic Level, it being able to Disolve Mater and Energy below and Equal to its Level

B -> TSB being able to prevent the Energy from being Replenished or said Wounds be healed with Energy -> PowerNull

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

@Rocker

If it has only shown to work on Molecular level, then it is Molecular level (this is a low-ball btw). You can say it can works up to higher level than that without any proof.

Since when Regen requires energy? It is passive ability a character has. You literally doesn't need to do anything to Regen.

And even if it has regen negation element in it, TSB only shown to neg Edo-Tensei Low-High Regen, which is a weaker level Regen TSB can overcome with its Molecular Destruction. You can't say TSB neg High Regen without a proof.

Again, I'm actually fine with Limited Power null via TSB, but doesn't mean it can null everything that is energy based.

 

[Omimi]

Then TSB is simply Matter Destruction

no

TSB molecular destruction =/= TSB power null

molecular destruction= if its combined with more then 4 chakra natures and no Yin―Yang Release

power null= if TSB imbued with Yin―Yang Release

TSB molecular destruction and TSB power null are 2 different Technique

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

@Omimi

What is the strongest attack TSB has ever null?

 

[Rocker1189]

Except you are making the mistake of assuming it's power null is based off of it's molecular destructiong which it is not. Unless you have proof otherwise. Not to mention you can not destroy energy only disperse it and molecular destruction does not affect energy.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

@Omimi
What is the strongest attack TSB has ever null?

^^^

 

[Rocker1189]

That seriously does not matter this is hax we are talking about not an invulnerable shield(with no explanation) we know how this works and what it does. If not we would also be arguing what is the strongest thing that Accelerator has ever reflected back.

 

[AstralKing7]

I also believe if the force of the energy is stronger the defence of the TSB user they can get their TSB shield broken as seen by Madara being kicked by Guy who used enough force. So i believe if enough force is applied to TSBs they can break from an attack that doesnt uses any energy in it or a weapon without any energy in it.

 

[Rocker1189]

Exactly it only works on energy based attacks. and regen.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Not all hax can ignores the huge difference stats. Power null is one of them. And it has already been accepted that Accel Vector shield is High 6-A in Dura. Any 5-C attack can destroy it.

Again, what is the strongest thing TSB has ever null before?