TSBs nullify potency.

[PaChi2]

1) If there is a reason to scale it

2) Scans, not citations from the wiki

1) Yes, its supposed to contain the elements that form Dust release + two more elements and yin-yang.

2) There is a scan of Hiruzen comparing them to Dust release.

 

[Omimi]

TSB >>>> Dust releas

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Completely desintagrated Susanoos.

Onoki used Dust releas against Madara's Susanoos and it worked.

Before he used Jinto

If this gets accepted we can be sure that Onoki can desintagrate not only physical matter.

 

[PaChi2]

@PaChi2

That is fair,if every verse goes by this logic than I dont minde it.

Power null runs on this logic:

Have you ever nulled anyone above yourself? Yes/No? To what degree? In which circumstances?

And that's how we set an upper limit for every Power nulling ability.

 

[Frantzy12]

Hmm I just thought of something,if Madara had infinite chakra as a Edo couldn't he make a CT the size of the sun via constantly powering up the Jutsu :O

 

[Dzhindzholia]

CT the size of the Sun out of Earth?lol,i think he cant,he only has infinity chakra.Chakra quantity=/=Power of jutsu.

 

[YungManzi]

1. Naruto characters with TSB should have regen negation (I don't think that point is being talked about enough)

2. It's not like we don't have characters with some form of NLF on their pages. Fate servants being immune to conventional weapons and Achilles being immune to attacks without divinity are some of the most well known examples.

Right now i'm not sure what should be done about the TSB and senjutsu thing.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

1.They negated Edo's Regenerationn only because Edo is a ninjutsu.

 

[Reppuzan]

1) No. It only stopped the regen of the Edo Tensei bodies by nullify the ninjutsu that kept them together.

2) It's not a NLF when the mechanics are stated right on the page. Don't derail.

 

[Frantzy12]

But the Etsb was expanding with the more chakra you put into it,CT is just a gravity well lol he would just expand it forever with his infinite chakra haha.

 

[YungManzi]

ninjutsu=magic and any form of regen which isn't purely biological=magic.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Frantzy12

That will be some kind of black hole,lol.ETSB is beyonde any other jutsu and its mechanices are unknown.

 

[Omimi]

Onoki used Dust releas against Madara's Susanoos and it worked.
If this gets accepted we can be sure that Onoki can desintagrate not only physical matter.

is it any better then molecular level desintagrate?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Omimi

No,I guess.But we can be sure that he can affect not only physicall matter but also energy based techniques.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Yung

Still doesn't null regen.

You're telling me that if SCP-682 ran into a TSB, its regen would get nulled. Not happening.

@Dzhind

Its mechanics are unknow. I'd like you to focus on this part. We can't extrapolate what we don't know for certain or even have any evidence towards this.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I was talking about ETSB,not Jinton.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Reppuzan

Also,what do you think about Jinton affecting no ony physical matter?I posted scans above.

 

[YungManzi]

@Rep

1. Obviously I don't think they can null regen above edo tensei because they haven't shown the ability to do something like that.

2. We know how TSB works. It's not as if TSB doesn't have weaknesses so I don't see what is so different in the two cases. One nulls all attacks under certain conditions, the other nulls all tangible magical attacks under certain conditions. I'm not trying to derail, this is something that needs to be discussed.

 

[Omimi]

@Reppuza

Still doesn't null regen.

it does

regen = power

and TSB = power null u cant deny it

 

[Reppuzan]

@Yung

TSBs clearly have limits if Guy can kick right through one to hit Madara. Achilles' invulnerability is a divine blessing given by reality warping gods with concept manipulation. The two examples are not equivalent.

@Omimi

It nulls ninjutsu. That's it. It doesn't null regen if it's not ninjutsu based.

 

[Heilergott]

THis makes no sense. Yes, TSB is a Powernull, but strickly energybased and limited. It cannot stop physical Regen, since it only nulls Ninjutsu. Saying it Nulls all Regenerationn is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Reppuzan

"TSBs clearly have limits if Guy can kick right through one to hit Madara"

It was Madara who broke them,Guy never touched TSBs.

 

[YungManzi]

@Rep

Exactly, TSB has limits and weaknesses., I don't think anyone is saying that TSB=limitless

...Also I thought that Achilles invulnerability came from his divine blood, not basically a much stronger character protecting him(Which...certainly changes everything)


Also, under verse equalization, tangible forms of magic=ninjutsu

 

[Rocker1189]

Don't, they think madara > UI goku

Dude, if you are going to state anything at least use arguments other than things that never even happened you literally make the most useless posts in any thread.

 

[Rocker1189]

Anyway I dont care either way. I always thought thay just nullified energy based attacks but I never thought it would be massively beyond the AP of the users.

 

[YungManzi]

@Heilergott

Refer to one of my comments above.

ninjutsu=magic and any form of regen which isn't purely biological=magic.

 

[Rocker1189]

THis makes no sense. Yes, TSB is a Powernull, but strickly energybased and limited. It cannot stop physical Regen, since it only nulls Ninjutsu. Saying it Nulls all Regenerationn is a bit of a stretch.

I sort of agree here. If the regen is biologically based it would not nullify it. If it is magic based then it would.

 

[Omimi]

THis makes no sense. Yes, TSB is a Powernull, but strickly energybased and limited. It cannot stop physical Regen, since it only nulls Ninjutsu. Saying it Nulls all Regenerationn is a bit of a stretch.

it should able to Nulls any Regen that required energy( Chi /spiritual energy/cosmis etc ) under vers equalization

 

[Rocker1189]

@Yung
TSBs clearly have limits if Guy can kick right through one to hit Madara. Achilles' invulnerability is a divine blessing given by reality warping gods with concept manipulation. The two examples are not equivalent.

He did not kick through it to hit Madara the whole thing in the fight was that they had to get rid of the TSBs for him so that he could hit Madara. He kciked Madara thorugh it though.

 

[Rocker1189]

it should able to Nulls any Regen that required energy( Chi /spiritual energy/cosmis etc ) under vers equalization

Yes.

 

[Omimi]

@Heilergott wrote:
energybased

wrong

it can null ninjutsu

and not all ninjutsu is energybased attack

 

[Heilergott]

Nulling purely Energybased Regen seems fine. Ofc Limited by Dimensions and shit and not reaching the highest Regen levels, but a Solid Energybased Regen Null seems agreeable.

 

[Rocker1189]

But ninjutsu is energy based because it is powered by chakra. I dont think there is any non energy based ninjutsu because that would just not make sense in setting.

 

[Kepekley23]

It can nullify Tier 5 attacks, anything beyond that would be a NLF

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Completely desintagrated Susanoos.

Onoki used Dust releas against Madara's Susanoos and it worked.

Before he used Jinto

If this gets accepted we can be sure that Onoki can desintagrate not only physical matter.

Bump.This is important and can affect TSBs and Jinton.(if gets accepted).

 

[Heilergott]

Well there are the NJ that create Physical Mass. So it can also Null Mass created by Supernatural Energy or some shit?

 

[Omimi]

It can nullify Tier 5 attacks, anything beyond that would be a NLF

TSB also Negate Durability no?

 

[Kepekley23]

Yes

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Heilergott

"Susanoo is a gigantic, humanoid avatar made of the user's chakra."

That is like a giant mass of chakra that has a shape,a little like Bijuus.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Omimi

Negates on molecular lvl,at least we are sure that it can damage 3As if they dont have resistance to matter manipulation.