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Trinity Seven Upgrade

LordGriffin1000 said:
This proves creation but I doesn't say he created them all in one go so it would still be only Low 2-C for their statistics if magic power scales to physicals, unless he made infinite then it would be 2-A in general. As for the destruction, is he causing them to collide or is it some adverse effect?
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You clearly see how he destroyed with a swing of his sword.

And ye, he was causing them to collide.

And ye, in Trinity Seven Magic scales to physicals aswell
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Is that directly stated or is that just generally the case through characters withstanding attacks and harming each other?
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Both.

And ye, take a look at this:

trinity-seven.fandom.com

Magic

Magic is the primary source of power for Mages, and also their primary practice, there are three known schools which teach it that excel in the field, dubbed the Three Great Magical Academies. Magic is the very power that people possess to stay in existence. Mages research and exercise this...
trinity-seven.fandom.com trinity-seven.fandom.com
 
More evidance regarding power/strenght = Magic in verse:



(People surprised by Rubin's Power level stated to be stronger that of the twelve masters and Arata struggeling against her).








Arata astonished by an Entity's Magical power which far surpasses Abyss Trinity's own strenght.
 
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OH AND FOR THE LAST, THIS WILL MAKE THE BREAK DOWN PHENOMENA ONLY BEING "HAX" ARGUMENT FALL FLAT:




That's Arata Kasuga going Berserker and destroying multiple space-times via energy attacks, presumibly lighting......, It's his Demon Lord factor going out of control.
His very Magic/Magical power going out of control.

This strenghtens the statements of Demon Lords being capable of destroying a Space-time aswell.
 
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If there are feats of people controlling the power that can perform a Low 2-C feat and there are feats of people withstanding that power or harming those who can do that, then it should be fine.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
If there are feats of people controlling the power that can perform a Low 2-C feat and there are feats of people withstanding that power or harming those who can do that, then it should be fine.
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So do you agree with it?

Also, besides from what you have said, I also provided you the evidence as of why Magic scales to AP in Verse.

Another Curiosity would be that, for example, Arata can Power Null the Magic from beings stronger than him ie beings with stronger Magic power.
 
God900 said:
So do you agree with it?

Also, besides from what you have said, I also provided you the evidence as of why Magic scales to AP in Verse.

Another Curiosity would be that, for example, Arata can Power Null the Magic from beings stronger than him ie beings with stronger Magic power.
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Provided there is no evidence to the contrary that would be the case.

That seemed to be mostly about Magic being tied with the power that makes you exist, it being possible to be improved with training and people being astonished about other people's Magic. What would be relevant here is if someone can use power equivalent to a Breakdown Phenomenon for their Magic which does seem to be the case. Other than that what is relevant is if people can physically enhance themselves with Magic or have feats of being able to withstand Magic attacks.

Not sure how relevant that is and it's hard to judge without additional context though I'm not really interested.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Provided there is no evidence to the contrary that would be the case.

That seemed to be mostly about Magic being tied with the power that makes you exist, it being possible to be improved with training and people being astonished about other people's Magic. What would be relevant here is if someone can use power equivalent to a Breakdown Phenomenon for their Magic which does seem to be the case. Other than that what is relevant is if people can physically enhance themselves with Magic or have feats of being able to withstand Magic attacks.

Not sure how relevant that is and it's hard to judge without additional context though I'm not really interested.
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Ok vote counted.

And yeah, there are feats of people enhancing themselves with Magic or withstanding Magical attacks.

In the verse someone can increase their Magical power by "studying" Magic ie training to increase it and get stronger, as an scan meantioned above.

And you also got the scan of the woman who was able to briefly trade blows with Arata using the power of a breakdown phenomena.
Her "Magic power" was stated to be even be stronger than the likes of the twelve masters...., and we can clearly see that when even Arata struggled to fight her, so it was clearly refering to power levels.

And we also got the fact that Arata can't nullify spells of stronger beings, becouse obviously that spells contain way more energy than what Arata can normally handle.


This is Arata tanking a Magical attack:

 
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Also, here we got another spell that can increase the user's Magical powerGula,


"Gluttony"
Fides, "Faith": This Thema allows the use of Mantra Enchantment, a spellcraft involving the use of runes over the user's body, strengthening them and/or manifesting their power into external forms, such as Arata's dragon. Its power is directly tied in with the user's emotions, the stronger they are, the more powerful the user.


And in Trinity Seven the user's Magical power is tied with their emotions.
 
God900 said:
And we also got the fact that Arata can't nullify spells of stronger beings, becouse obviously that spells contain way more energy than what Arata can normally handle.
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God900 said:
Another Curiosity would be that, for example, Arata can Power Null the Magic from beings stronger than him ie beings with stronger Magic power.
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Okay, I guess it makes more sense that Arata can't nullify magic from those that are stronger in this particular context.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
Okay, I guess it makes more sense that Arata can't nullify magic from those that are stronger in this particular context.
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Yeah, I misspelled there, my bad.

Point is, Well as you may have seen above, in the verse there are spells that can increase the user's own Magic power, depending on the desires or the emotions, as Magic in the verse is tied to these aspects....

And also, you've seen how Arata withstanded a magical energy blast and took no damage.


So I think this proofs that Magic in verse = Power, right?
 
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God900 said:
Yeah, I misspelled there, my bad.

Point is, Well as you may have seen above, in the verse there are spells that can increase the user's own Magic power, depending on the desires or the emotions, as Magic in the verse is tied to these aspects....

And also, you've seen how Arata withstanded a magical energy blast and took no damage.


So I think this proofs that Magic in verse = Power, right?
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It's alright.

What matters is if Magic scales to Breakdown Phenomenons and if Magic users scale to it physically and not if there are ways to enhance that Magic.

Yeah, that does work for scaling purposes.


Well, if Magic can be used offensively, then it's obviously power though the important question is if it scales to the overall statistics.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
It's alright.

What matters is if Magic scales to Breakdown Phenomenons and if Magic users scale to it physically and not if there are ways to enhance that Magic.

Yeah, that does work for scaling purposes.


Well, if Magic can be used offensively, then it's obviously power though the important question is if it scales to the overall statistics.
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Yeah, in Trinity Seven when people refer to "Magic power" they speak about overall stats.

For example, the woman who fought Arata empowered by the energy of Breakdown phenomena, was able to trade blows with him like no problem.
And that's thanks to her absurd power level aka Magic power, which rivals even the Demon Lords.
So it strenghtens the fact that people were surprised by her power level, aka energy level.

The character traded blows with Arata in that state, meaning the character scales to Breakdown phenomenas physically.
Magic users scale it to it physically.


And, yeah, it scales to things such as Durability (the scan I sended you about Arata withstanding a Magical energy blast).

And Magic enhancing spells increases the user's physical abilities, linked to the emotions to be able to increase the user's Magical power effectively. So yeah, striking strenght increases aswell.


-So we got, Durability, AP, and striking strenght
 
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God900 said:
OH AND FOR THE LAST, THIS WILL MAKE THE BREAK DOWN PHENOMENA ONLY BEING "HAX" ARGUMENT FALL FLAT:




That's Arata Kasuga going Berserker and destroying multiple space-times via energy attacks, presumibly lighting......, It's his Demon Lord factor going out of control.
His very Magic/Magical power going out of control.

This strenghtens the statements of Demon Lords being capable of destroying a Space-time aswell.
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Then that's Low 2-C since it's destroying them with multiple attacks and not one single attack.

Anyway, I agree with Low 2-C.
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
In the glossary, there is an explanation of the demon lord's weapons, the weapons in question are black imperial sword judecca & red emperor sword caina

And the weapon is said to be able to destroy the world.

Btw,Judecca owned Arata & Caina owned Abyss

The conclusion is, they got Low 2-C too because of the demon lord sword
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Btw, we should make a profile for Rubine aswell.

She was able to casually trade blows with an Arata empowered by the power of a breakdown phenomena (Low 2-C)
 
Perhaps, you should put as a justification,
Arata destroying multiple space-times via his raw energy, while his energy gets out of control, causing a Breakdown phenomena.

And that being their Demon Lord factor aswell.

And then the statement of a Demond Lord being able to destroy the world and reconstruct it.


So every Demon Lord can scale aswell.
 
God900 said:
Perhaps, you should put as a justification,
Arata destroying multiple space-times via his raw energy, while his energy gets out of control, causing a Breakdown phenomena.

And that being their Demon Lord factor aswell.

And then the statement of a Demond Lord being able to destroy the world and reconstruct it.


So every Demon Lord can scale aswell.
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I agree with this
 
Antvasima said:
Okay.

So what has been accepted to be applied here then?
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put as a justification,
Arata destroying multiple space-times via his raw energy, while his energy gets out of control, causing a Breakdown phenomena.
And that being their Demon Lord factor aswell.
And then the statement of a Demond Lord being able to destroy the world and reconstruct it.

So every Demon Lord can scale aswell.

And the guys who are not Demon Lords, but have shown to keep up with them or harm them, scale aswell.


-And, a new key for Arata in which he weilds his sword, covered by the power of a Breakdown phenomena, which would be Low 2-C.
That would be his pre-demon lord self btw
 
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Yeah, as it's shown, the Demon Lords Magic power is strong enough to destroy worlds=Universes if it gets out of control.
That's why they have to control it, and obviously every Demon Lord or candidate to Demon lord has the so call "Demon Lord factor"

And also the fact that in verse, Magic correlates with AP aswell.


So this thread is pretty much done for.

And @Rendynoc0unter should edit the profiles with these justifications with the scans I brought to these thread.
 
God900 said:
Yeah, as it's shown, the Demon Lords Magic power is strong enough to destroy worlds=Universes if it gets out of control.
That's why they have to control it, and obviously every Demon Lord or candidate to Demon lord has the so call "Demon Lord factor"

And also the fact that in verse, Magic correlates with AP aswell.


So this thread is pretty much done for.

And @Rendynoc0unter should edit the profiles with these justifications with the scans I brought to these thread.
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please send a message in the conversation, because I'm still confused by this
 
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