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Transformers General Discussion

Drite77 said:
Ok, I'll try it a bit more since I won't be doing anymore calcs for the main Transformers book, maybe Void Rivals but I would need to start reading it, same for hound in GI Joe, and I'll tag both @Emirp sumitpo and @Dark-Carioca as they were both ones that seemed to have interest in the Skybound books, but I'll once again, welcome anybody who wants to talk about it, here's what we are dealing in terms of calcs I've made thus far:

Devastator suplexes Bruticus (3.94 Tons, High 8-C)
Astrotrain's crater (0.5219 Tons, 8-C)
Starscream destroys a jet (0.42 Tons, 8-C)

Destroying Reflector (0.2563 Tons, 8-C)
Starscream survives an explosion (0.19 Tons, 9-A+)

Shredhead cuts Hotlink (0.0861 Tons of TNT, 9-A)
Starscream vaporizes a human (0.066 Tons, 9-A)
Bruticus tanks an explosion (0.0129 Tons, 9-A)
Devastator punches the ground (0.012317 Tons of TNT, 9-A)
Skywarp smashes a police car (0.01158 Tons of TNT, 9-A)
Cliffjumper goes through a wall (0.003778 Tons of TNT, 9-B+)
Ultra Magnus punches an helicopter (0.0029 Tons, 9-B+)
Cliff and Jazz tank an explosion (0.0007346 Tons of TNT, 9-B)

Ulchtar, Jetfire and Genvo fly to Moonbase 2 (Mach 1867.83, Massively Hypersonic+)
Arcee outspeeds an RPG (Mach 0.52, Subsonic+)

Optimus rips off Devastator's fingers (65881.192 Tons, Class M)
Megatron tears Trailbreaker apart (56467.295 Tons, Class M)
Constructions move the Nemesis (5823.81998 tons, Class M)
Optimus lifts Devastator (1789.19137 tons, Class M) (This should be 2683.78 Tons BTW)
Beachcomber lifts a piece of debri (57.01248 Tons, Class 100)

Here's what I want to propose for AP​


Most bots, which include: All the Seekers, Astrotrain, Arcee, Elita-1, Jazz, Cliffjumper, Trailbreaker and Rumble, will scale to either Starscream's feat, or Astrotrain's feat.

Reason being there is an argument for Astrotrain's feat to be above his level, as he was in the ground, but there is also the argument that Megatron already had him in the ropes in the first place. I'm leaning more to Astrotrain's, but I wouldn't mind if it was Starscream's. Cliffjumper and Rumble have each shown feats that put them at this level as well, such as Rumble hurting Astrotrain and Cliffjumper battling Starscream for a short amount of time. This does not include Beachcomber

Stronger bots, such as Ultra Magnus, Arcee Magnus, Shockwave and Soundwave, will be "At least 8-C, likely higher" because they are clearly stronger then the previous bots. There might be a few bots I'm missing but those 4 are the main ones

The Combiners, Megatron, Optimus Prime and Shredhead: Will be High 8-C via scaling from the Combiner calc. Both Optimus and Megatron can hurt them significantly, Megatron's punch straight up decombined Devastator and sent him flying, Optimus scales to him and also hurt Devastator with his kicks and Megatron's fusion cannon while Shredhead is clearly on their level. Those 3 would be the only one in this rating

Here's what I want to propose for LS​

Basically everyone but the small bots (That includes Cliff, Beachcomber and Rumble) will scale to the Constructicons' Class M feat, Cliff and the small bots will scale to the Class 100 feat while Optimus, Megatron and Shredhead will both scale to the higher-end Class M feats (Optimus ripping Devastator's finger and Megatron tearing Trailbreaker in half)

Here's what I want to propose for Speed​

This one is the least complicated, they will scale to Arcee's Subsonic+ feat movement wise and will scale their reaction and combat speed to Ulchtar, Genvo and Jetfire's feat, while the ones with flying modes will all have their speed scaled to those 3's feats.

That's all, any comment, disagreement or questions can all be done and I'll try to tackle them as much as I can. I still believe we should not use the Re-entry feats due to a lot of problems with it, but if people still want to comment about it I'll debate it no problem
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This all seems agreeable, I suppose
 
Void Rivals now has the highest 8-C calc of the verse, at 0.7763 Tons (Springer scales to the person who did this feat)
 
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The Primest Prime's Profile Update

All of the Transformers Prime pages are severely outdated in terms of overall content within them as they haven't been updated in years outside of that quick speed CRT, this CRT is just a step towards fixing that as these profiles take a long time to complete, starting with Optimus Prime's...
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I thogut i asked this yesterday but it seems my Phone didnt send it. Has any1 calcd galvatrons feat when he survivd the Explosion that destroyed cyberteon?
 
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[Transformers] THE ONE possible revision ?

Hi, I’d like to hear your thoughts on a topic relating to the Transformers media. After doing some more research on The One, certain pieces of information about him that tie together seem to warrant some analysis. Here, here and here, The One is described as being the ‘heart of the universe’...
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Minor rework for Bayverse
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Transfomers (Michael Bay) High 7-C+ Removal

The scaling chain is essentially this (going by the profiles): RotF Megatron scales to his feat of 1.54 Megatons (Low 7-B). 2007 to ROTF Optimus Prime upscales from him, being able to hold his own against that same Megatron, Grindor and Starscream all at once with the upperhand, and is the...
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I did a calc for Quintessa moving Cybertron. Obviously it scales to no one except for her but I'd say this is my finest work... Also, this is way higher than the likes of any other calculation of the feat, but it is not without reason..
 
Drite77 said:
I think, at best, it would be Environmental Destruction for her
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Obviously, I doubt it scales to her durability. Kind of in the same way how Shockwave gets Low 2-C on his IDW profile but only for his AP, simply gets added to her Attack Potency
 
Been doing my own scale of the Transformers Cosmology lately, alongside a close associate. There are things that VSBW has misunderstood about the cosmology.
 
That_moron2 said:
Reading the Marvel US G1 comics and they talk about Optimus like he's Gojo

First scan is from issue 1, second is from issue 5, third is from issue 7
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It do be like that. I also recommend you reading the UK version, as I think the best stories from Marvel pre issue 55 come from that era. Budiansky's fine, but you can tell how having to keep introducing new characters every 12-15 issues just kills creative
 
Perhaps a weird question, does someone here have the Energon Universe 2025 special physically or digitally? If not, do any of you have one of these following volumes: G.I. Joe Volume 2, Transformers Volume 4 and Void Rivals Volume 4?

TLDR: The Energon Universe Special 2025 remains the only piece of the EU that can not be attained digitally by itself, it is only sold physically (And I can't buy it since I'm not from the US). The stories within it were compiled on each of their respective book's volumes (The ones I pointed out above), but buying each of them just to get that story, is very expensive to me and not worth it, so it would be neat if someone has some of those volumes or the EU special in hands.
 
Drite77 said:
It do be like that. I also recommend you reading the UK version, as I think the best stories from Marvel pre issue 55 come from that era. Budiansky's fine, but you can tell how having to keep introducing new characters every 12-15 issues just kills creative
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I already dropped like 30 dollars on a US compendium so
 
Katipax said:
Been doing my own scale of the Transformers Cosmology lately, alongside a close associate. There are things that VSBW has misunderstood about the cosmology.
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can't speak for VSB as a whole (and I'm not super involved in how they tier things) but the last two CRTs regarding the cosmology were done by me, so I would be interesting in seeing what alternative information you have
 
BTW, if anyone is curious, this is how the profiles for the EU are looking

Void Rivals/Transformers (27 Profiles)

Soundwave's separate profile sandbox

G.I. Joe (26 Profiles so far)

G.I. Joe is consistently 9-B in the Kilojoules (4 + 1 uncalced for Cobra Commander), TF-VR is consistently 8-C (5 + 1 High 8-C feats for the strongest bots), while the verse as a whole is consistently Subsonic-Subsonic+ (6) so far

I separated them because the sandbox for VR/TF was starting to lag way too much. I also took a different approach to the G.I. Joe profiles. In TF/VR, I focused on a single character while looking through the feats in their appearences, for G.I. Joe, I'm tackling each issue and noting what I need to note about the characters, and leaving the summary, some INT feats and the quotes to later (One can see multiple ratings explanations to be the ones used for other characters, that'll be altered once I focus on each profile individually)

I've been using Jason Howard's covers for the PFP, outside of Arcee which I think looked way too ugly to be used. Same for Elita-1 (Haven't got around get one for her though). Any ideas, criticism or things I might have missed (No material from EU Special 2025 and 2026 or G.I. Joe 21-23 has been added yet, otherwise, I covered the others) is appreciated.

Speaking of art, JH's is not that great for the humans, but I want to keep things consistent with each other (And it would be unfortunate if he stops doing covers now that he's drawing the main TF Book)

One thing I wanted to hear opinions: For the speed session, I mostly put "Comparable to Arcee" in the TF books, should I actually look for fights they took? I figured I didn't want people to go over multiple profiles to get the speed, but I suppose one can I always use the Verse page
 
RippleFrog said:
can't speak for VSB as a whole (and I'm not super involved in how they tier things) but the last two CRTs regarding the cosmology were done by me, so I would be interesting in seeing what alternative information you have
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The 17 dimensions scan by Vector Prime has been heavily misinterpreted. The scan actually entails that a standard universe is composed of 17 dimensions, which would be consistent with how the Bayverse is actually able to tap into these dimensions through space-bridges in Transformers: Foundation. You can argue the comic non-canon, but that matters naught given how it is part of the Tyran universal cluster.
 
Generally, this could likely provide upgrades for many things.. IDW Shockwave, IDW Unicron's possibly key, perhaps the IDW Dead Universe, Vector Prime, Ramjet (Universe), maybe even the Bayverse Allspark. The list goes on.
 
Katipax said:
He did, they are City Block level
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Nope, they aren't. I talked over here, pinged many people to discuss, including him. A single person responded saying I seem to know more than them, so I started making the profiles, a few months laters, Emirp seems to have deleted or moved the profiles
 
StarShooter80 said:
Also I recommend naming the profiles Energon Universe instead of Skybound, since that's the literal name given to the universe
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The verse is going to be called Energon Universe, I'm just typing Transformers/G.I. Joe/Void Rivals there. Initially because the stories didn't mix, but considering what's coming, I might change it
StarShooter80 said:
Ah that's a shame, thankfully I still have this sandbox for the verse page (though might be outdated, and I could make it cleaner)
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It's neat, I also plan on making a verse page in a sandbox, it's important we included Void Rivals, G.I. Joe and the future other shared IPs as well and don't focus solely on Transformers (Specially since there is already cross-scalling between Transformers and Void Rivals as early as before Issue 10)
 
Katipax said:
The 17 dimensions scan by Vector Prime has been heavily misinterpreted. The scan actually entails that a standard universe is composed of 17 dimensions, which would be consistent with how the Bayverse is actually able to tap into these dimensions through space-bridges in Transformers: Foundation. You can argue the comic non-canon, but that matters naught given how it is part of the Tyran universal cluster.
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oh, I thought that was common knowledge (not the bayverse part specifically but the dimensional topology bit). I don't really disagree with that at all, though I tend to be more conservative with how I scale things to other continuities compared to other people maybe. But as far as Foundation, I mean pretty much everything in Transformers is canon, and the IDW Bay comics have their own stream designation already.
 
Drite77 said:
BTW, if anyone is curious, this is how the profiles for the EU are looking

Void Rivals/Transformers (27 Profiles)

Soundwave's separate profile sandbox

G.I. Joe (26 Profiles so far)

G.I. Joe is consistently 9-B in the Kilojoules (4 + 1 uncalced for Cobra Commander), TF-VR is consistently 8-C (5 + 1 High 8-C feats for the strongest bots), while the verse as a whole is consistently Subsonic-Subsonic+ (6) so far

I separated them because the sandbox for VR/TF was starting to lag way too much. I also took a different approach to the G.I. Joe profiles. In TF/VR, I focused on a single character while looking through the feats in their appearences, for G.I. Joe, I'm tackling each issue and noting what I need to note about the characters, and leaving the summary, some INT feats and the quotes to later (One can see multiple ratings explanations to be the ones used for other characters, that'll be altered once I focus on each profile individually)

I've been using Jason Howard's covers for the PFP, outside of Arcee which I think looked way too ugly to be used. Same for Elita-1 (Haven't got around get one for her though). Any ideas, criticism or things I might have missed (No material from EU Special 2025 and 2026 or G.I. Joe 21-23 has been added yet, otherwise, I covered the others) is appreciated.

Speaking of art, JH's is not that great for the humans, but I want to keep things consistent with each other (And it would be unfortunate if he stops doing covers now that he's drawing the main TF Book)

One thing I wanted to hear opinions: For the speed session, I mostly put "Comparable to Arcee" in the TF books, should I actually look for fights they took? I figured I didn't want people to go over multiple profiles to get the speed, but I suppose one can I always use the Verse page
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Though once again, if someone wants to give their input, it would be appreciated, specially on the speed thing (If either should just say "Comparable to Arcee" or put actual feats that happened in the comic)

Drite77 said:
Perhaps a weird question, does someone here have the Energon Universe 2025 special physically or digitally? If not, do any of you have one of these following volumes: G.I. Joe Volume 2, Transformers Volume 4 and Void Rivals Volume 4?

TLDR: The Energon Universe Special 2025 remains the only piece of the EU that can not be attained digitally by itself, it is only sold physically (And I can't buy it since I'm not from the US). The stories within it were compiled on each of their respective book's volumes (The ones I pointed out above), but buying each of them just to get that story, is very expensive to me and not worth it, so it would be neat if someone has some of those volumes or the EU special in hands.
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This also would be appreciated
 
RippleFrog said:
oh, I thought that was common knowledge (not the bayverse part specifically but the dimensional topology bit). I don't really disagree with that at all, though I tend to be more conservative with how I scale things to other continuities compared to other people maybe. But as far as Foundation, I mean pretty much everything in Transformers is canon, and the IDW Bay comics have their own stream designation already.
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Well I say this because VSBW has taken these dimensions to exist beyond the Multiverse, rather than the foundation for just about every single existing universe across the infinite timelines.
 
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