Transduality and transcending concepts

[TheUnshakableOne]

Where in the wiki history was it discussed that "dualities" must be Conceptual in nature, and then transcended to gain TD?

I understand the transcendence and qualitive superiority part, but I been looking for like a week now and I'm not seeing where Ira discussed that something (for examaple) light and dark must be conceptually transcended to gain TD type 1.

 

[Shereen]

Yeah

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Yeah

Link to where it was discussed?

I talked to DT, and he said he "didn't see a difference" between Conceptual and non Conceptual dualities

 

[Shereen]

Link to where it was discussed?

I talked to DT, and he said he "didn't see a difference" between Conceptual and non Conceptual dualities

What is your problem here with the Nature of duality which must be transcended in order to gain Transduality?

Honestly, Transduality really has to emphasize the existence of a qualitative superior to Duality that acts as a concept or is fundamentally, That's because Transduality is a type of Defensive Ability, If the Overriding Duality wasn't just a concept, it would render the Transduality Ability useless. If you use an analogy where Duality is "Not conceptual" it is like a Said that Transduality can be penetrated with Greater abilities, For example A is declared to be beyond Hot and cold from Ability B (Not conceptual), C which is declared to have abilities similar to B but superior, It is certain that A can penetrate Transduality, that's why To get Transduality one needs to be qualitatively superior to Duality which is conceptual in nature.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

What is your problem here with the Nature of duality which must be transcended in order to gain Transduality?

Honestly, Transduality really has to emphasize the existence of a qualitative superior to Duality that acts as a concept or is fundamentally, That's because Transduality is a type of Defensive Ability, If the Overriding Duality wasn't just a concept, it would render the Transduality Ability useless. If you use an analogy where Duality is "Not conceptual" it is like a blessing that Transduality can be penetrated with Greater abilities, For example A is declared to be beyond Hot and cold from Ability B (Not conceptual), C which is declared to have abilities similar to B but superior, It is certain that A can penetrate Transduality, that's why To get Transduality one needs to be qualitatively superior to Duality which is conceptual in nature.

I'm confused on if "all dualities" need to br transcended at the Conceptual level

For example,

The concept of A and Concept of B being transcendeded (dualities)

Vs

A and B being transcended (no statement of them being concepts.)


Would both scenarios still be Transduality?

 

[Shereen]

I'm confused on if "all dualities" need to br transcended at the Conceptual level

As before, the Transduality ability functions as a defense in the form of immunity, not resistance.

For example,

The concept of A and Concept of B being transcendeded (dualities)

Vs

A and B being transcended (no statement of them being concepts.)

1. He will gain immunity to abilities related to the duality he transcends.

2. He will only gain resistance to the Duality he has overcome, and can be given an effect on a higher ability (Duality Correlation) than what he has overcome.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

2. He will only gain resistance to the Duality he has overcome, and can be given an effect on a higher ability (Duality Correlation) than what he has ovovercome.

Why wouldn't it be TD?

 

[Shereen]

Why wouldn't it be TD?

Simply put, it doesn't describe the Transduality Ability at all which must be shown to be qualitatively superior to Duality which is conceptual in nature.

It's like we're going Transcend Dimensions which means various, because it doesn't mention how many spatial axes these dimensions have, But if it is said that it goes Transcend a conceptual dimension, then it will qualitatively get a rating of 1A because it is really qualitatively superior to the definition of the dimension itself.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Simply put, it doesn't describe the Transduality Ability at all which must be shown to be qualitatively superior to Duality which is conceptual in nature.

It's like we're going Transcend Dimensions which means various, because it doesn't mention how many spatial axes these dimensions have, But if it is said that it goes Transcend a conceptual dimension, then it will qualitatively get a rating of 1A because it is really qualitatively superior to the definition of the dimension itself.

Iirc bad example tears going to be changed soon

What if a verses simply says "everything is caught in a Duality. Be it people, locations, hierarchies, everything is dualistic."

A character is then shown to transcend such statement.

Nothing shows a concept nature

 

[Shereen]

Iirc bad example tears going to be changed soon

What if a verses simply says "everything is caught in a Duality. Be it people, locations, hierarchies, everything is dualistic."

A character is then shown to transcend such statement.

Nothing shows a concept nature

It already shows the nature of the concept even though the verse does not include a narrative that says that it is a concept, The reason why our Standard says it has to be conceptual so that someone doesn't misunderstand in describing Transduality Ability, is because there are several verses that imply its Character, Can transcend Hot and Cold Effects (Duality) of an entity which is directly stated Transduality, which refers more to Resistance because it is not affected by ability Which are given, Which means Abilities that are higher than other entities can have effects on the character that go beyond those effects, due to differences in the strength of abilities, Like saying that you are Transcend death and life, that already shows the ability of Transduality.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It already shows the nature of the concept even though the verse does not include a narrative that says that it is a concept, The reason why our Standard says it has to be conceptual so that someone doesn't misunderstand in describing Transduality Ability, is because there are several verses that imply its Character, Can transcend Hot and Cold Effects (Duality) of an entity which is directly stated Transduality, which refers more to Resistance because it is not affected by ability Which are given, Which means Abilities that are higher than other entities can have effects on the character that go beyond those effects, due to differences in the strength of abilities, Like saying that you are Transcend death and life, that already shows the ability of Transduality.

Out of curiosity got any links on ghe wiki that verify this?

Thank you btw

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Hope this help.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/duality-for-beginners.154021/

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Hope this help.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/duality-for-beginners.154021/

My primary concern is statements

Do you need to prove Light and Dark are transcended at a conceptual level?

Also, does the word "duality" already imply conceptual transcendence, or do you still need to prove that?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Do you need to prove Light and Dark are transcended at a conceptual level?

Yes, they are.

Also, does the word "duality" already imply conceptual transcendence, or do you still need to prove that?

Yes, they are already implying conceptual transcendence. Except for like "The duality of this guy personality", etc.

 

[Vietthai96]

Tbf, dualities is somewhat conceptual in nature by default