Town level 80's Shredder and Foot Ninja?

[Marcman2020]

During season 03 of the 1987 TMNT show, the Technodrome is said to be in the center of the earth (Though statements of the characters keep contradicting it, but other times they say they're in the center anyway)

But in some episodes, Shredder's foot soldiers are outside of the technodrome in the center of the earth:

https://orig00.deviantart.net/3f16/f/2018/351/2/e/footninja_by_doctormoodb-dcupe7c.gif

https://orig00.deviantart.net/578a/f/2018/351/2/6/footninja2_by_doctormoodb-dcupe71.gif

and in one episode, Shredder HIMSELF even steps out of the Technodrome himself to walk in the center of the earth:

https://orig00.deviantart.net/6a3d/f/2018/351/2/d/shredstandbylava_by_doctormoodb-dcupe3v.gif

https://orig00.deviantart.net/e104/f/2018/351/e/c/technodromelava_by_doctormoodb-dcupala.gif

'"The Earth's core is 44 terajoules per second'

'So lasting one second there is 10.5 kilotons '

'You would have to be at the exact center to be receiving that energy '

'because being just a few meters away lowers the yield a lot"'

More Info Here:

https://www.deviantart.com/doctormoodb/journal/Town-level-1987-fodder-foot-ninja-Analysis-777192667

Thoughts?

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Necro Bump cause this seems important.

 

[Tonygameman]

It indeed does. Bumping power!

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Yeah, especially since TMNT is an orange verse now.

 

[Genericstickman]

Another bump since the current tier for the 80s characters seems too low

 

[Genericstickman]

bump

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Ok sense no one cares, I agree with this.

 

[Genericstickman]

bump

 

[Genericstickman]

bump

 

[Genericstickman]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. It seems more likely that the writers were just creating a dumb kids show, and didn't consider it important to portray gravity in an accurate manner.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

It could still make sense as he should be comparable to most versions of the turtles.

 

[Antvasima]

Probably not. The center of the Earth would be molten magma if accurately portrayed.

 

[GoCommitDi]

Speaking of the 80s turtles being too low, there is absolutely no way dodging lasers is Superhuman speed

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Classic TMNT needs revisions in general. Shredder beat up Nickoledeon Beebop and Rocksteady with ease.

 

[Genericstickman]

I still feel like 9-B is way too low

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Should be at least 9-A

 

[Marcman2020]

Classic TMNT needs revisions in general. Shredder beat up Nickoledeon Beebop and Rocksteady with ease.

Wouldn't that count as crossover scaling though?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Honestly 2003 Ninja Turtles need work as well

 

[Hellbeast1]

@Mac

I doubt it

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Wouldn't that count as crossover scaling though?

No, TMNT has a infinite multiverse and they have crossed over twice. In fact I think OG Krang's Dimension X is the Dimension X in the Nick show.

 

[Marcman2020]

Wouldn't that count as crossover scaling though?

No, TMNT has a infinite multiverse and they have crossed over twice. In fact I think OG Krang's Dimension X is the Dimension X in the Nick show.
That kind of logic though can mean that almost every incarnation of TMNT scales to almost every incarnation of TMNT because they've all met at some point or another.

2012 TMNT scales to 1987 TMNT because of the crossover episodes.

1987 cartoon TMNT scales to Mirage comic and 2003 TMNT and Mirage TMNT because of Turtles forever.

Mirage TMNT scales to Dark Horse (Canon) Usagi Yojimbo because they've had several crossovers in the comics and have acknowledged prior meetings when ever they've met again. (Mirage Usagi and Mirage Leo have on several occasions.)


Dark Horse (Canon) Usagi Yojimbo scales to IDW TMNT because Usagi Yojimbo acknowledged the IDW turtles as being a different set of characters from the Mirage Turtles who he met prior.

All in all thise would mean that 1987 TMNT, 2003/4KIDS TMNT, 2012 TMNT, Mirage Comic TMNT, IDW TMNT, and Dark Horse Usagi Yojimbo all scale to one another.

The big problem with this is that the crossover with the 2012 series (Trans-Diemsnional Turtles) completely contradicts the 'Turtles Forever' Crossover.

In Turtles Forever, the Classic Turtles and 2003 turtles go to the Mirage universe. In the 2012 series when Classic Donatello and 2012 Donatello go back to the Mirage Universe, the Mirage turtles don't recognize Classic Donatello and attack him and 2012 Donatello. At no point do they acknowledge Turtles Forever either.

Even if you argue about the 2012 Crossover taking place BEFORE Turtles Forever, it still makes no sense because the classic Donatello would have already known about the Prime Mirage Universe before hand (and he treats it like he's never been there before) and the Mirage Turtles don't acknowledge that they've seen 1980's Donatello before.

Even if one says that the contradictions are the result of time travel altering the course of history, there's no evidence to support this and it still doesn't line up either way. I also won't use the "Well the Mirage turtles forgot about 1980's Donatello/1980's Donatello forgot about the Mirage Universe" excuse since there's no way they'd forget such unusual (not to mention crucial) events.


All in all I argue that despite the whole multiverse explanation, it creates a large string of overly complicated crossover scaling that should be treated like standard Crossover Scaling. At this point they might as well just be composites if so many incarnations are going to be acknowledged anyway.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Why not just have a key?

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Mirage not recognizing them is more a plothole than anything else.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Turtles Forever as a crossover is wonky in canonicity, as are many other things related to the original cartoon (like the japanese OVA that are meant to be connected to it somehow).

The '87 TMNT should have a Varies in their stats since the show's cartoony nature means they'll sometimes be depicted as being way more powerful than they are.

 

[Genericstickman]

doesn't the OVA have a tier 4 machine that was built casually?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Something along those lines

 

[Jasonsith]

Just to say in general: many important calc blogs are not linked to the character profiles. Can anyone help in doing that?

TMNT 2003

AP/durability:

?

Speed:

User blog:Amelia Lonelyheart/TMNT: Teenage Mutant Hypersonic Turtles

TMNT 2012

AP/durability:

User blog:Mr. Bambu/TMNT Calc: Super 'Splosio

Speed:

User blog:Amelia Lonelyheart/TMNT 2012: Shredder vs Splinter

Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

They are well referenced with their powers.

Please also help check on the other pages, thanks.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Some of those need to be evaluated first

 

[Jasonsith]

Ah, if it is accepted that the Foot Clan did live on lava, do they scale at this feat?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

It'd be consistent with the fact that the TMNT on the very pìlot can one-shot/destroy large machinery.

Edit: Assuming that's for the 1987 series which I don't think it is given the Foot Clan consisted of humans in the past and later fodder robots lol