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Toriel vs. Pearl
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Toriel because her stats are likely far higher.
I also think her use of magic gives her a massive range edge over Pearl's relatively pathetic ranged attacks, as they are are more numerous and far less predictable than Pearls straightforward bolts. Toriel is the same person who effortlessly flicked Asgore away with 1 ball of magic when at least somewhat serious.
So IMO Toriel 9/10
I also think her use of magic gives her a massive range edge over Pearl's relatively pathetic ranged attacks, as they are are more numerous and far less predictable than Pearls straightforward bolts. Toriel is the same person who effortlessly flicked Asgore away with 1 ball of magic when at least somewhat serious.
So IMO Toriel 9/10
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Well pearl has:
holo dupilcates of herself
1000 years experience
high stamina
holo dupilcates of herself
1000 years experience
high stamina
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1) I don't think she ever used against someone as strong as TorielThe great ZZ said:
2) Toriel is immortal, so we don't have a clue how old Toriel is.
3) Toriel has immensely high stamina sooo...
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1) I don't think she ever used against someone as strong as Toriel
2) Toriel is immortal, so we don't have a clue how old Toriel is.
3) Toriel has immensely high stamina sooo...
1) That doesn't mean she has use it
2) Toriel can be killed
3) I think Pearl has a little bit more stamina
2) Toriel is immortal, so we don't have a clue how old Toriel is.
3) Toriel has immensely high stamina sooo...
1) That doesn't mean she has use it
2) Toriel can be killed
3) I think Pearl has a little bit more stamina
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In this battle speed is equalized.Reppuzan said:
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Immortal as in doesn't age.The great ZZ said:
Also, Pearl and Toriel should be equal in stamina IMO, both can go on for just about ever and can operate at prime effectiveness up unless they are absolutely killed or are hit by someone far stronger than they are, so it's pretty much a non issue.
I still say Toriel takes this due to range.
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Pearl also has range to in the form of her lance lasers.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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Which are nothing compared to the monstous pyro-kinetic power Toriel can summon when holding back against Frisk.The great ZZ said:
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One semi-serious blast from Toriel blasted Asgore off the screen, while Pearl's lasers did nothing to Amethyst.
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Pearl wasn't serious in that fight she said she didn't want to fight.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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She didn't want to fight, but that doesn't mean she wasn't serious.
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What I meant was she held back.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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Toriel held back somewhat against Asgore too. She wasn't out to kill him, just subdue him, similar to Pearl, and Toriel did in one hit what several strikes and shots from Pearl couldn't, sooo...
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Well Toriel caught him off guard and Amethyst is pretty durable.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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True, but I still am more impressed with what Toriel has done.
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I see your stand point this but since steve universe isn't over yet Pearl and the Gems could be upgraded.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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True, but as of now I vote Toriel all the way 9/10.The great ZZ said:
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basically Toriel has better range and attack rate
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Wait. How does Toriel have a better range? We only see her fight in a corridor, so that's like, a few metres.
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Pearl is no better. Toriel takes it due to massive attack rate advantage
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well, rather several dozen and while pearl can also attack at range she is far more proficient at a closer range while toriel is far more proficient at longer ranges.The real cal howard said:
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I mean, how is Toriel gonna hurt Pearl? Low 6-B vs High 6-B. And those attacks do follow a pattern. And since this is U-Tale, Game Mechanics are canon. Pearl is known to be the smartest of the CGs, so she'd likely figure it out and get in close enough to use her superior stats to win.
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Either that or she outlasts Toriel with her superior stamina and takes her out thenThe real cal howard said:
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WeeklyBattles said:
it seems to have been assumed that Toriel was holding back greatly when fighting Frisk and blowing Asgore away. Aditionally don't discredit Toriel's inteligence as she was the brains behind the entire monster kingdom up until she left for the ruins
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It's not like she has a lot of fighting intelligence. Her only known battles are vs Frisk, and vs Asgore, and the latter was a sneak attack.
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The real cal howard said:
but, she also probably fought in the war against the humans to some extent as did Asgore and uses very similar competent battle strategies to Asgore's; who, according to multiple in game sources, is a very skilled fighter.
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She's even known to be smarter than Asgore.
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Problem is, she lost. In Pearl's war, which should've lasted longer as it was a battle of immortals, she won. And if Asgore was so skilled, how come he lost to a little boy? Yeah, yeah, determination and all that jazz, but it's really just a matter of dodging, which Pearl is capable of as seen in her battle with the much more unpredictable Sugilite.
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Intellect doesn't always translate to fighting ability. i.e: Alphys is smarter than Undyne, though the latter is vastly stronger than the former. Goku is the prime example of fighting ability, as with most shonen heroes.Sirius The EM Troll said:
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The real cal howard said:
it took a child with omni-directional flight capabilities to actively dodge Toriel's attacks, also yeah, determination, the thing that meant Agore was never going his all and that the monsters had to fight beings that at full power could destroy universes. that "little boy" went to fight 2-As
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@Squid
Frisk's power has nothing to do with what Cal's trying to say.
He's trying to say that Toriel's combat experience is extremely lacking, especially when compared to Pearl, who has somewhere around 8,000 years of experience.
Frisk's power has nothing to do with what Cal's trying to say.
He's trying to say that Toriel's combat experience is extremely lacking, especially when compared to Pearl, who has somewhere around 8,000 years of experience.
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but being intellegence does still hold value, a smart indivdual who knows how to fight can fight smart. Also Toriel faced numerous opponents in war that were way beyond her power and survived, Pearl was defeated constantly against opponents above her power.The real cal howard said:
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Frisk can't fly. That's why he needed the jetpack. And Frisk wasn't at max determination, or else ol King Dad woud be that high. The little boy arguement was meant to show intellect, which Frisk (not necessarily Chara) doesn't, or at least shouldn't have a ton of in combat. He's sparing enemies and (in TFS Piccolo voice) dodging, which Pearl is capable of doing. And why would determination signify that asgore wasn't going all out? I know that he wasn't, because of the way he was acting, but neither was Frisk. Frisk is only at max right after the Flowey reset and Asriel showing.
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She survived because she was peace loving. And also, most leaders survive in the war, or else problems arise. Also, Pearl still survived against opponents above her power, just like Toriel in more ways than one (both lost), and Toriel is below her in power (again, Low vs High 6-B)Squid peanut said:
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The Everlasting said:
I was just trying to adress that refering to Frisk as just a little child and that the monsters lost is missleading and ignores just what the monsters were up against.
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I understand your point man. I get that Frisk is mega powerful. I just hope you undertale... i mean understand mine.Squid peanut said:
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The real cal howard said:
Frisk in combat can fly to some extent, Papyrus actively refers to Frisk's soul as a "floating heart" during the date scene as well as the fact that blue mode forces Frisk to what very much seems to be the ground as a bone is capable of skating on it and a dog walking on it as well as previous encounters that treated the bottom of the battle box as the ground as well.
I wasn't using determination to signify Asgore not going all out, it was to say that low determination Undertale Characters are weaker in every respect and we have only seen toriel in low determination battles, hence "likely far higher" on her page.
Pearl can dodge, but can she dodge very tightly bunched fire attacks that were tricky for someone way shorter then her to dodge.
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