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Top Five Strongest Characters for Every Tier II

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Overlord775 said:
FH Zeref's hax >>>> Natsu's hax
So? This isn't "Top Five Haxxed Characters for Every Tier II", it's "Top Five Strongest Characters for Every Tier II". Natsu is stronger than Zeref. Zeref fought Natsu and Natsu won.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
So? This isn't "Top Five Haxxed Characters for Every Tier II", it's "Top Five Strongest Characters for Every Tier II". Natsu is stronger than Zeref. Zeref fought Natsu and Natsu won.
Isn't that because of Natsu hard counters Zeref, but generally Zeref would be a better candidate?

It's the same reason as to why Natsu doesn't supersede Sirzechs's spot because he can beat him, right?
 
Off topic but "Characters from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" should probably be changed to Jotaro Kujo (Eyes of Heaven), Gyro Zeppeli is the only other really notable 9-B from the series and he really doesn't stack up to Jotaro let alone whats probably the #5 spot.

EDIT: Jotaro's page is also formated wrong, he's still a 9-B smurf with a 8-C stand and 2-A hax in his Over Heaven form
 
Is it really that much of a hard counter for Zeref? Natsu just has powernull and resistance to soul manip.

For Sirzech's, yeah that's because Natsu is a hard counter.
 
Natsu does have a pretty solid hard counter against Zeref and Sirzechs but that's the extent of it and he qualifies more as a really good anti Hax character then a solidely haxed character

He's not doing jack to Accelerator or Cole any time soon
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Maybe tied? Broly's slower but idk if Marble Alien's strong enough to get past the AP advantage.
Well, Hecatia is stated to be greater than Amitabha on her page - so I am unsure if they should be tied.

And the Marble Alien is like Amitabha on a much smaller scale.

Throwing universes around like marbles - that could be a higher level of 3-A for all we know.
 
I actually searched around and it seems Darkseid's strongest avatars have won against Doctor Fate before, so he should get the spot.
 
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