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Top-5 Strongest Non-Smurfs: Gu Chensha vs Rimuru
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In his first key, he is still an irregular protagonist, so his passive plot manipulation gives Rimuru no win scenario unless it is under special circumstances that comes to down range, for example Acausality type 3 outside his range, immortality type 9, large size, etc. So I thought a match is needed since my knowledge on Rimuru is lacking.
Nihility
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How does his passive plot manipulation work ?
Rimuru has standard 2-A range with imaginary space which is inside his stomach and his real body is also inside his stomach
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simply
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Hmm,
Well rimuru does have immo type 9,
Im not very knowledgeable on web novel of tensura so i might not be of much help.
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A protagonist is well, the protagonist of the story and Gu Chensha is above them and even the main character ordained by the cosmology (Heavenly Dao). They have protagonist plot manipulation qualities such as being unharmable and unlikable, able to turn any danger into fortune, overcome any foe or hardship, be blessed with fortuitous encounters for their growth, accelerated development if the situation calls for it, etc.
I see. I will wait for more knowledgeable members and reply later.
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The 2-A Range is over a pocket dimension that Rimuru contains.
Rimuru himself does not have Large Size and his Type 8 Immortality and Acausality Type 3 come from him sharing his memories and consciousness with clones located in other points of times, another universe, and in said stomach dimension; Imaginary Space.
Rimuru himself does not have Large Size and his Type 8 Immortality and Acausality Type 3 come from him sharing his memories and consciousness with clones located in other points of times, another universe, and in said stomach dimension; Imaginary Space.
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If you need 2-A range to put him down, then Gu Chensha forfeits this match.
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Can he incap?
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Probably not.
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2-A pocket dimension/imaginary space is just "likely 2-A", not soild one
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That doesn't really matter, since SBA assumes that it's the strongest or the most recent version of the characters, unless the OP specified which versions he's using.
So Rimuru would have the 2-A stuff.
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Honestly, imma go through the series just to confirm if plot manipulation is real
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no, Rimuru's AP is "likely 2-A" but the imaginary space is solidly 2-A in size
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Yes. Since 2-A is real, this match is over.
Also, Chensha is his name. Gu is the clan name.
Peak
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I see it, I will remember it
Tempestdragon6
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So who wins here
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incon. Gu can`t reach imaginary space but rimuru can`t do anything to gu either
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What prevents Rimuru from affecting Chensha?
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Passive plot manipulation
Peak
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reactive evolution will be working,the moment Rimuru's clone is harmed, Ciel from imaginary space will instantly start analyzing and taking countermeasures against it, and Rimuru also doesn't need to approach him, he can just use reality distortion activated with thought out of range for example
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Rimuru hasn't encountered plot hax. It's NLF to assume that reactive evolution would work against it.
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Neither can win.
Also, first key Gu Chensha embodies the mechanical civilization that has a system that is probably better than Rimuru's. Second key Gu Chensha can create such systems and better with a thought.
Also, first key Gu Chensha embodies the mechanical civilization that has a system that is probably better than Rimuru's. Second key Gu Chensha can create such systems and better with a thought.
Peak
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Evolving according to what you face on the battlefield is literally the function of reactive evolution, Ciel evolves through analysis
Even if you still disagree, Ciel from within the imaginary space the moment he realized what Gensha did he could just stop time or something, he has various types of response to that due to not be harmed from within the imaginary space
Peak
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Rimuru can incapacitate Chensha, does it have sleep or sealing hax resistence?
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Setsuna tenma is right on it.
Also, plot manipulation is a future that doesn't exist. Not to mention Gu Chensha's first key is Acausality type 4.
He has resistance to sealing, as for sleep, you'd need to influence his mind, which is already negged by plot manipulation unless it is by social influencing, which he already has on his profile.
If you have any questions about abilities, his first key is superior to Empyrean Origin and this is the page for all his abilities.
Peak
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this is weird but ok
Rimuru has negation of acausality 4
Hax sleep even works directly on the soul at information level type 2, so I don't know how this would be handled, also, what is the level of resistance to sealing?
ok, i'll see that later then
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His soul is his mind (which is in that page I linked btw) and he resists information type 2. His resistance to sealing is over a bunch of 3-D cultivators, 4-D Empyrean Sovereigns, Life & Origins.
Like I said before, neither can win. It is hard for Rimuru to win if the opponent is already using plot manipulation to win and it is hard to Gu Chensha to win against something beyond his range.
Maybe Gu Chensha can win through incap by turning Rimuru into a character in a book (not plot manipulation). I mean, it is one of the techniques he has on his profile.
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I see, but theoretically would still need range to affect the other imaginary space Rimuru
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As I thought. They both can't offensively win.
Since the thread is pretty much over, let me throw a funny bone: Second key Gu Chensha creates isekai protagonists that wake up with a system in their head.
Peak
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yeah, agreed
Where do these broken characters come from lol
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china landyeah, agreed
I thought this kind of feat would grant tier 1, doesn't the protagonist transcend these protagonist isekai somehow?
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4-D at best depending on the circumstances. Not to mention Gu Chensha himself said he divides protagonist into "Little protagonist, big protagonist, super protagonist, etc".
His second key is currently not divided between his endgame version which is above infinite realms of cultivation and the version of him before that. Both are still formidable though, both are creating and nurturing protagonists to defeat him eventually too.
Well, this thread can be closed now.
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