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No, Jeffery is standard equpiment for Herah. He just doesn't give her access to his presence based abilities without that specification first
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Top 25 Strongest Characters regardless of Tier
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I was asking myself to how we can do for a win, if we able to kill Herah can Jeffery stills do the combat alone or is authorised to resurrect her, power null what have happened to her etc (if he can)
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If the weapon is autonomous and can act separately for Herah, fighting on her behalf when she is outclassed, even against her will and pride, then I am pretty sure that is outside help, regardless if he is a weapon that she has on her person or not.
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The strongest DC 1-As are the endless, Luci, Mikey, and The Presence who are decently powerful 1-As
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If its part of her equipment then its not considered outside help
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No, it doesn't matter if it's sentient, it's not outside help if it's an asset a character always has with them
It would be like saying that summons are outside help
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That's under the pretense that it is within her own powers and abilities, but this Jeffery fellow is seemingly described as distinctly separate from Herah, and fights separately for her in her stead, even against her own desires for him to do so.
I feel that this case is an exception to that rule.
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Summons that are summoned by the caster to aid in a fight is one thing.
But another being that summons itself to fight instead of the caster, against the caster's wishes, is definitely outside help.
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Non-staff can't use @'s to call another user, btw.
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Yes, Jeffrey is a pencil that doesn't actual function out of Herah's will, but it's own. Herah keep it around as standard equipment, but technically it is outside help.
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Jeffery doesn't fight separately, they fight together. Jeffrey is just capable of operating without Herah's direction.
And Herah created Jeffery, so he very much is like a summon.
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Jeffery doesn't summon himself, he is simply with Herah already just like any other weapon would be
It's litterally the same thing, as summons have free will too a lot of the time
It's a part of Herah's equipment, her weapon, so it being sentient litterally doesn't matter at all
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I dont think thats outside help cause if it was then im pretty sure GER would be considered outside help which it isnt.
Honestly we’ve never really had clear standings on what outside help is, for me I always saw outside help like “Superman calls in the rest of the Justice League to add him in battle” or something along those lines which if this weapon is always with her and seemingly attached to her as her creation id say it wasnt Outside Help.
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And it's normally obvious from just watching. Jeffery can also analyze opponents, and learn their capabilities. Though, I won't argue that he starts off with this since he's done it only once so far.
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Don't know too but just to tell(have nothing to do witht thread) is norwe profile a little weird? Having high outervsal tier and ap but mftl+ speed, doesn't he should have irrevelant here?
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How would that be any different from a summon?
Anyway, my problem isn't that the weapon is sentient, but that it acts on its own regardless of the will of the user, fighting the person's battles for them when they are incapable.
But whatever, I don't really care that much.
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And that's not how Jeffery operates. I haven't been explaining this very well so I'll clear it up now:
Jeffrey and Herah fight together, with Herah normally physically and mentally wielding Jeffery. The way that Jeffery steps in and offers help is by giving their power to Herah, and allowing her to use it how she sees fit.
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Duedate can you answer that? I seriously have hard to understand how a high 1-A character can be lower in speed than a lower character with immeasurable speed.
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That's because the feat that gave Jeffery immeasurable occured in a space that Norwe was omnipresent in. And Norwe's only feat outside of this omnipresent state is MFTL.
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Oh so like it's a powerful verse that is like the slower in all the tier 1 perso?
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For that why theory goat can't kill herah ? They seem to be able to just bypass her high godly regen, or immortality,
For Jill herah and jeffery don't have fate and proba resistance so they could be affect before being able to do something and got incap because can't do a thing,
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Herah has regenerated from non-existence before so don't see how they're beating.
And unless powernull can work on Jill's stuff, I don't think Herah beats her.
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Hmm, then why don't they have Regen Negation?
Rikimarox2
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Well, Herah also can be given resistance to High-Godly regen negation so it's still valid for her.
Rikimarox2
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How so? Can you show me a can of her resisting regen negation?
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It's on her profile, with a scan and everything for it.
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Do they use Truths? In neither 8-C does it state they can use Truths.
Rikimarox2
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Ah nvm then. Though, shouldn't we put that scan on her profile? It would be better, no?
Ovy7
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They should be able to use Blue Truths, as those are theories, and the goats are, well, theories taken form.
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With or without truths, Herah should still beat the goats.
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Hmm, add it
Anyway if Herah can residt High Godly Regen Neg then that definitely gives her a leg up.
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It's tell that he was able to damage her without her being able to heal so how it's show she resist it?
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In that very scan, it shows her regening once Jeffery gives her his Presence.
