Kessler Vs Shedinja

[Bobsican]

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Kessler

Shedinja

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Deceived3596]

What is stopping Kessler from activating his Time Travel device and sending himself back in time, several decades, before this fight occurred and possibly, before this Shedinja came into existence?

 

[Bobsican]

Nothing really, but then what? He lacks the information on where to locate it in the first place. Nincada typically live underground for decades, with a given Shedinja popping up into stray Poke Balls as it evolves into Ninjask (Shedinja exists separately from Ninjask), and Nincada heavily resist electricity manip to be properly located anyways.

 

[Deceived3596]

Nothing really, but then what? He lacks the information on where to locate it in the first place. Nincada typically live underground for decades, with a given Shedinja popping up into stray Poke Balls as it evolves into Ninjask (Shedinja exists separately from Ninjask), and Nincada heavily resist electricity manip to be properly located anyways.

If we assume he does activate his time traveling ability before Shedinja can do anything, I think that'll give him the win by technicality, through incapacitating his opponent. Shedinja can't continue the fight with Kessler, and as Kessler was the one who teleported away from it, Shedinja is technically incapacitated by virtue of being incapable of harming Kessler, they can't function in a way that'll harm their opponent as their opponent resides somewhere else that they can't reach.

I don't believe if Kessler does travel into the past and encounters another Shedinja, we should assume it's same exact one, or that even if it isn't, we assume it has the same desires to fight Kessler as the previous one did to continue the debate. I think that's unfair to Kessler and doesn't abide by what a the non Smurf thread is intended to be, which is two specific characters going at it, not a specific character vs an entire race of beings.

 

[Bobsican]

In such scenario that'd just be self-BFR, not an "incap" (thus going against Kessler winning if anything), plus I don't think just leaving the battle would be something in-character considering the predicament the characters are put on by SBA.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If Kessler leaves the fight himself then Shedinja wins by default.

 

[Deceived3596]

In such scenario that'd just be self-BFR, not an "incap" (thus going against Kessler winning if anything), plus I don't think just leaving the battle would be something in-character considering the predicament the characters are put on by SBA.

I don't agree with this framing. BFR implies forceful removal of someone or something from the battlefield, an action with a negative outcome on the affected target, while Kessler is just traveling to a different point in time in the past, which doesn't imply the same. It's on his own terms how he is dictating the fight, and he's dictating it by traveling outside of Shedinja's ability to affect him, thus leaving Shedinja in a state of being incapable of damaging him, or incapacitated as described by the definition of the word.

So while Kessler is technically removing himself from the battlefield, I believe there is a distinction to be made that he is doing it on his own right, not that an action is being done onto him by Shedinja, and because of this distinction, it'll apply separately to the win conditions set by SBA.

Why would it be in character for him to continue the fight when Kessler's entire motive is finding Cole and killing him? He doesn't occupy himself with unneeded violence when less dangerous options, like time traveling, are optional.

 

[Bobsican]

Besides this just being "voluntary" BFR if you want to get pedantic, namely as the page notes that the one leaving the battlefield for a given amount of time is the one losing...

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

In plain terms that simply can't happen per SBA.

 

[Deceived3596]

Besides this just being "voluntary" BFR if you want to get pedantic, namely as the page notes that the one leaving the battlefield for a given amount of time is the one losing...

It wouldn't be because he's uninterested in the fight, it would be because he doesn't occupy himself with unneeded violence. He's still participating in the fight, but he's using an ability to quickly end it by traveling into a different point in time. I don't see how this disproves what I'm arguing tbh.

 

[Bobsican]

For the purposes of the list it was confirmed this'd result in a loss for Kessler then, please discuss any complaints on that on the other thread.

 

[Deceived3596]

For the purposes of the list it was confirmed this'd result in a loss for Kessler then, please discuss any complaints on that on the other thread.

I'll just make an entirely separate thread on the issue since this affects more than just Kessler, but anyone who uses time traveling in a fight. Hopefully more clarity can be reached after it's all said and done.