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Don't we have Honkai Impact and Star Rail share a spot?
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Sugar Swans profile is complete. She can be added to the L1-C section now.
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The Sugar Swan
The Sugar Swan is an important supporting protagonist in Cookie Run: Kingdom and a minor background character in Cookie Run: OvenBreak and LINE Cookie Run. One of the legendary wielders of cosmic power that built the world on an afternoon tea set, the Sugar Swan watches over the Cookie World to...
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We do, and we also group Persona and Shin Megami Tensei together along with every series under the "Nasuverse"
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No? Persona and SMT take alot of elements between each other, far more thant Fantasy and 40K do
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Idk, I don't know all spots in the thread, if Sonic characters are occupying consecutive spots in the same tier they should be fused into a single one.
Why does any of that matter? If they're the same verse they're the same verse, sharing characters or not means absolutely nothing.
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How about a magic system? Is that shared?
Uhhhh, nope! It's actually very different on a fundamental level!
Point is, treating Fantasy and 40K as the same verse is very blatantly stupid, there's 0 cross-scaling for a reason.
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Also, "Characters from Warhammer" wouldn't work, they don't share a verse page either!
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Honkai Impact and Honkai Star Rail don't share a verse page but share a canon and thus share a spot in 3-C (the #3 spot I believe)
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However that tells you literally nothing about who's even in the spot lol
Tell me, would you find the Warhammer High 8-Cs from Fantasy who are in the spot without prior knowledge? I sure a shit can't find who's in Honkai for 3-C lol
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That is stupid, Sage monarch and Dragon talisman have two different spots in 2-A, even if the share...Existence?
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Sage Monarch is just a novel inside Dragon Talisman, it just Yang Qi was ascended from his novel.
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That doesn't change much really, both share existence, and isn't Yang Qi the final antagonist of the story?
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Yang Qi ascended because of the narrative help.
Yang Qi isn't really the final antagonist tho.
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Do they have the same god tiers? Take place in the same multiverse?
If yes to any, specially the 2nd, they should share a spot.
Then they should share a single spot, yeah.
How the verse itself is organized in the wiki (a single verse page, multiple ones) doesn't matter, what matters is the canon obviously.
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Technically, they don't share a multiverse, because that's part of the Materium. Maybe attempt to understand the verse your arguing before trying it, yeah?
And like I said, can you find who's in the High 8-C spot from Fantasy's Verse Page at a glance? And you're not allowed to look at the current list. If the answer is no, then don't try to merge them
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The Warp is the same, no? Why are you focusing on the physical world as if "multiverse" was limited to this? Like, some tiers past L2C have the word "multiverse" and all have "verse" in them for a reason, everything can be accounted for in the word "multiverse", you're just talking about semantics here.
What even is this argument? I can't find them if they're merged or not, I don't know the verse and honestly it absolutely doesn't matters if they're in the same page or not for this list.
We don't have the multiple Sonic, DC, Transformers or whatever else continuities taking consecutive spots, wtf?
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Ehem
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This is pure pedantry in all honesty. They share an overall setting, they're the same verse. It doesn't really matter how it organises internally or how many technicalities there are.
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Eh just dump them into 1st with Fantasy then. Though someone merge the sonics in Low 2-C then cause they're taking up two spots for no reason
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Aren't those like, proper different settings? If not then yeah, they should be merged.
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Pretty sure Archie and Game are very different canons.
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Kinda weird but whatever I can't be bothered to argue about this
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Then remove dragon talisman from 2-A, because Sage monarch not only exists in the same cosmology (as a piece of fiction, but still), but one of the characters literally comes from that novel with the desire of killing the prota.
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Tier Low 1-C onwards is kinda weird 6D is now 1-C.
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The point was it looks like shit, is terrible for organization, and searching two entire verse pages to pick a character out just to be wrong is an issue. There are over 100 combined profiles between Fantasy and 40K, do you expect people to pick the right one? If I asked "Who are the place-holders for Honkaiverse?" Could you answer it?
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I don't care for Honkaiverse so of course I couldn't answer it, what even is that point? The verse is big but so what? You'd be expected to support or reject the reasoning for a character like anyone else.
And the rest of this is just... irrelevant to what I'm saying. Idk why you made it 2 verse pages and I'm not asking for specifics or saying it is or isn't justified. Perhaps it's better for verse organisation, perhaps its a bit inconvenient for the thread. But it's still one setting in its totality so long as the Warp and overarching cosmology is shared. And it is shared.
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Exactly! You can't answer who's the honkai placeholders because they ain't listed!
So why should we apply the same issue to Warhammer in High 8-C? We can pick one, and both me an Abaddon agree Arkhan>Ahriman/Draigo/Voldus, so just list him lol
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....? What are you even talking about? I can't list them cause I can barely list a single character of the top of my head.
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I'm whatever to what's decided to be labelled there, so long as its a single slot.
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If you read the conversation on this, what I'm avoiding is Honkai's issue at #3 3-C. If someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about the verse can't tell who the placeholder is, then it's just a list decided by who goes to the greatest lengths to find who in the hell is even in the spot and what they got.
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This might be even less of an issue than I thought cause I'm not quite seeing what's the problem with the way it's labelled.
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Then if loops back around, Planck. Tell me who the placeholders are for Honkai. If you, who doesn't know the verse can't answer that, there's my problem. We don't know.
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Just list them alongside the verse name?? Is something stopping that from working?
Edit: I don't feel that strongly on the topic so I can leave it up to Setsuna though.
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The main characters that would be listed there are Welt Yang from Honkai Impact (who is also in HSR, but is in his peak and have access to his strongest abilities in HI) and Acheron from Honkai Star Rail. If it bothers you that much they can both be added next to their positions in the 3-C tier. There are several positions that are just listed with the name of the verse without characters next to them, the fact that in that specific position there are two verses (which are actually one) doesn't make it that different from the rest from my point of view.
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I mean I've always grumbled about that too, it's why I basically refuse to let any verse I use here be left as just "Characters from X"
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Could my friend Ryuunosuke get number a spot in 9-A?
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If his stuff isn't enough for top 10, im sure he could get the number 15 spot.
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If his stuff isn't enough for top 10, im sure he could get the number 15 spot.
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Eh yes he does (courtesy of magic).
Plus he has the God Blast, which has High 1-B to Low 1-A AP.
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I was referring that Thor has High 1-A hax
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Can anyone explain me two things
A. Why is Li Qiye above lindon? (I have already explained why evil chinaman gets erased by good chinaman, though I guess he could share the spot in inequalized if the speed difference is enough)
B. Pretty goddamn sure that Kars beats Kang in 6-B, not only the latter is probably going to get almost all of his smurf hax removed (except for his Low 2-C self destruction), but Kars just adapts anything he trows at him, before beating him to a pulp with Killer queen
A. Why is Li Qiye above lindon? (I have already explained why evil chinaman gets erased by good chinaman, though I guess he could share the spot in inequalized if the speed difference is enough)
B. Pretty goddamn sure that Kars beats Kang in 6-B, not only the latter is probably going to get almost all of his smurf hax removed (except for his Low 2-C self destruction), but Kars just adapts anything he trows at him, before beating him to a pulp with Killer queen
