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I thought the reason they were tied with the Sorrow is because he usually opens with BFR, which they don't resist. I didn't think the death hax were ever a factor.
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation
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Quoting Armorchompy from the thread where Kousuke (who resist layered death hax) faced The Sorrow:
So unless the other side resist precog he begin with the best thing, which is either death hax or bfr depending on what will work.
Megaraptor149
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Also Touhou Characters should take higher spot in low 2-C, since they have TD2 and NEP2
Oliver_de_jesus
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Asking of 2Hou, why they not are in 2-C?
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He is the one 5B of note from tsuki. The goddess hasn`t been onscreen
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They can low 2-C or 2-C too right
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And once again, the profile didn't elaborate shit
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Yes, but what do they do in combat?
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They're gonna get upgraded at some point, but right now the goddess is just BFR that bypassess resistance and Makoto is.... a Sniper.
His standard tactic is to snipe from kilometers away. That includes regular arrows that can destroy the soul and/or arrows that instantly freeze you upon contact. He also has a passive fear aura, and close-range death hax that bypasses baseline resistance.
His standard tactic is to snipe from kilometers away. That includes regular arrows that can destroy the soul and/or arrows that instantly freeze you upon contact. He also has a passive fear aura, and close-range death hax that bypasses baseline resistance.
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Besides what Yung said he can also set an area around himself where he can manipulate the laws, but is quite limited in the sense that if he for example use it to forbid magic he also get affected and thus can't use it.
He can also summon all his followers from his pocket dimension, and while they are far weaker AP wise they have some good abilities so that's a plus, though that isn't something that he would do unless pushed.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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To answer the above questions, Touhou's strongest 2-Cs are 2-B smurfs through either range or omnipresence. So they simply cannot qualify.
Megaraptor149
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Btw, if there Characters Smurfs by weapon that still count?
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Considering it came from an isekai LN it's even more surprising that it somehow hasn't hit tier 2 yet.
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that's not smurf, if someone is in the same Dimensional Eje, then you can have 2-A skills while you are L2-C (Like the guy ranked 1 in L2C)
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Ah, don't worry about that. It's cooking, coming soon.
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That's still 4-D, aka, not smurf, so have fun with that.
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They aren't smurf unless they have things from a higher dimensionality, so in the case of tier 2 a character would need tier 1 hax to be considered smurf.
That sort of things actually aren't that common in novels , at the very least not until the end of a novel when the authors go overboard.
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Wait, so 2-C characters that have 2-B spatial intangibility, 2-B concept hax, and 2-B type 9 immortality are fair game?
EDIT: Aight give me like 5 minutes and I'll explain why Touhou solos your verse.
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Alright, seems like Touhou can get spot in low 2-C/2-C
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I think the passive death hax would give him the win over the Phoenix Force, since the arrows can't hit it due to its incorporeality, unless NPI for interacting with spirits and illusions allows you to interact with pure energy. Although the PF also has some passives, heat and radiation due to its physiology as a solar flare, in addition to having layered deconstruction and mind hax
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They can get a place if all their abilities are 4D, Character can have 2A Range in Low2C. I don't think it will matter if it's omnipresent. Characters with 2B Range in 3A are smurfs.
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Not passive death hax, passive fear hax the death hax is active and requires him to hit you with a needle.
I'm not sure pure cosmic energy even counts as incorporeality, wasn't it decided a while ago that energy is assumed to be physical unless stated otherwise.
Also he can destroy the soul kek.
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Okay so to start, Junko (ignore how trash her profile is) has type 2 NEP as nameless beings in Touhou exist without the boundaries of existence, nonexistence [zero], and void [imaginary number], which by extension includes all boundaries, making them unbound from the dual system of the entire verse. On top of being untouchable, Junko's main technique is "purifying" people by removing their names (type 1 concept), and it is in character for her to do this. So afaik, nobody in 2-C can even touch her, and the lower tiers would just die instantly to concept EE. This isn't even counting the void/RW/mind/empathic/probability/causality/fate/physics hax nameless gods have.
Yukari has type 1 CM over a multiversal range, which includes abilities like matter/antimatter manip, life/death manip (which negs type 5 immortality and MGR/HGR), BFR, conceptual EE (which can erase nonexistence), dimensional manipulation, sleep manipulation, and vector manipulation to name a few. This is excluding her other powers like power null, telepathy, mathematics manipulation, sealing, immersion, dura neg, and youkai physiology (which grants incorporeality, passive fear hax/spirit absorption, and so on). She also resists shit like power null, power mimicry, death hax, layered mind hax, subjective reality, and transmutation.
Reimu has thought-based spatial intangibility on a 2-B scale, passive layered probability/fate hax that make her untouchable and tilt victory in her favor, power null on touch, thought based summoning which includes type 1 CM (which Reimu can also do in base), death hax, and illusions, BFR, regen negation up to mid-godly, and transmutation.
All of these characters can interact with abstract ideas like divine spirits, as well as regular incorporeal beings made of souls and such.
As an aside, other Touhou characters have their own busted stuff, like Yuuma having passive power absorption or Yuyuko having passive death hax, but idk if that'd be enough to get a spot.
TL;DR: yeah they can probably beat someone like yubel idk
Yukari has type 1 CM over a multiversal range, which includes abilities like matter/antimatter manip, life/death manip (which negs type 5 immortality and MGR/HGR), BFR, conceptual EE (which can erase nonexistence), dimensional manipulation, sleep manipulation, and vector manipulation to name a few. This is excluding her other powers like power null, telepathy, mathematics manipulation, sealing, immersion, dura neg, and youkai physiology (which grants incorporeality, passive fear hax/spirit absorption, and so on). She also resists shit like power null, power mimicry, death hax, layered mind hax, subjective reality, and transmutation.
Reimu has thought-based spatial intangibility on a 2-B scale, passive layered probability/fate hax that make her untouchable and tilt victory in her favor, power null on touch, thought based summoning which includes type 1 CM (which Reimu can also do in base), death hax, and illusions, BFR, regen negation up to mid-godly, and transmutation.
All of these characters can interact with abstract ideas like divine spirits, as well as regular incorporeal beings made of souls and such.
As an aside, other Touhou characters have their own busted stuff, like Yuuma having passive power absorption or Yuyuko having passive death hax, but idk if that'd be enough to get a spot.
TL;DR: yeah they can probably beat someone like yubel idk
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Yeah they probably wreck the list.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Nah I think they stop at Saint Seiya thanks to busted passives, although I think Junko could get higher. Should she share a spot with KR Saber? I don't think SS characters or Kratos would survive type 1 concept EE, and it's not like they can hurt her.
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Oh, how much range and potency does his fear hax have?
I don't know about that but the Incorporeality page lists beings made of energy as an example of said ability. Plus the PF also qualifies for other things such as not having a true physical body or a defined form, and even if the energy that shapes it is dissipated it later reappears
But shouldn't the arrow hit the body in first place to affect the soul?
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Makoto possess the ability to affect something with an arrow before he actually fire/hit with said arrow, like it so sure that he will hit his target that they get affected from the very beginning (sort of like causality manip though a crt still haven't be made to list that as causality manip in his profiles), though that is something that don't really control that much at this point and instead is only that he can end doing when really pushed and focused.
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That sounds cool, and does that work even if the arrow can't interact with the target he's trying to fire at in the first place?
So he wouldn't start with that? Since the PF simply attacks by ramming you, either disintegrating or possessing you while destroying the entire planet in the process, plus its passives
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Don't know, the times that he used that that first come to my mind are when fighting one of the heroes and just from imaginaning himself hiting his target the hero got hit, and the other when he fought an apostle (that could transform in lightning) and he killed her from nations away by again imagining himself hiting her.
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How layered are their resistances to power null and ability to bypass invul
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I would imagine invulnerability wouldn't be a factor considering the soul absorption, EE, BFR, and other bullshit on their side. Yukari's resistance to power null is just baseline, and Junko wouldn't be affected at all because I don't think anyone in 2-C can even touch her.
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The invul extends to that stuff, aight then they can't do anything to Yubel or the god's then
And now I realize that yubel and the gods can't do anything back because yugioh pages bad, ethereal pain suffuses my being
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Is the power null above baseline? If not, Yukari could just resist it. I'm also unsure how this would interact with attacks coming from a being they can't affect.
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Yeah it is, but it prolly doesn;t matter either way since yubel and crew can't even do anything to them either way since yugioh pages bad, so they should just take yugioh's spot at least
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Cool. Would this mean Earthbound characters get bumped off the 2-C list?
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