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Toneri Ōtsutsuki needs a revision

The AP will still remain the same and not to mention there is a huge difference of it being continental and moon level. Multi-Continental level attacks doesn't usually border on the lines of moon level normally, but that could be up to debate depending on the feat in question.
 
DatBoyNorbit said:
not arguing but, for instance if i cut a building in half im not building level
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No. You would be Building level if you completely destroyed the entire building, not just cut it in half. It's the same here. The Moon is still there, just slightly smaller and separated in two pieces. Toneri didn't actually destroy the Moon, so he's not Moon level.
 
What are our policies in regards to Moon/planet cutting feats? I know the last time we had feats such as cutting planets, we are actually allowed to calculate the kinetic energy of the moving object (in this case, the pieces of Moon being split in half)

The kinetic energy displayed is directly shown to be as a result of speed, or at least heavily implied to be so.
As such, according to our new Kinetic Energy rules, Toneri's Moon cutting feat needs to be recalculated, as the original calculation does not account for the speed of the two halves of the Moo in their calculation.

Hence, I would like to re-do the calculation in regards to the Toneri moon feat, if it is possible, as the calculation we currently have for Toneri's profile is incorrect.
 
I suppose that recalculating the feat may be reasonable.
 
We've already recalced that a couple of times and the result was the same, we accept the GBE one because if the energy of the attack was Moon level the two parts would have kept moving forever.
 
We've also discussed the moon matter a few times (maybe 10), while a part of it is shown to be hollow assuming that it is completely hollow is more unreasonable than assuming it is like the normal moon.
 
Btw I will watch the movie again since if I not wrong there are conversation that due to be empty, that moon will be shattered and split in 2 the moment it become too close to the earth, due to earth gravity.
 
Apparently my memory just suck, while they(at the first meeting of the kages discussing the moon) mention the moon will break apart due to earth gravity, they dont mention a single thing about the moon being empty, although at that time no one knew that there an ecosystems inside the moon, btw I cant find the entire picture inside the moon(kinda lazy to find more conversation about that so I just go with picture instead) but this is the best I can found, Btw the sequence of the pictures is kinda messed up...and more thing can be seen on OP link start at 5:55:

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Artificial su

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There are an ancient cities inside the moon.

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The curves inside the moo

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Just a hole from inside to the outside of the moon :/
 
The moon isn't hollow. Only a single part similar to something like this:

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The smaller Circle would be PArt NAruto and Co entered. We know the moon isn't hollw for several reasons but the main being the moon is a Six PAths Chibaku Tensei seal. The Juubi's Husk was at the Center. Hamura and Co went up to the moon 1000 years prior to the Seal being Broken when Madara summoed the Juubi. Thud the moon can't be hollow Not to mention if it was hollow, they wouldn't be able to see the warp it makes unless those Islands are near Small Continent Sized.
 
To be honest the hollow in the moon even if it small is make no sense for sealing juubi other than it made by Hamura so he and the rest of his people can live inside, also at least my picture has offisial source that indicate the moon is not 100% solid(regradress of the lack of full view), can you find a offisial souce about your statment? also they can see the curved much better because here on earth the curved is often go down makes it harder to see unless you in the mountain but you can still see the earth curved, just google it but on moon the curved is up to the sky so its much easier to see.
 
or can someone can actually calculated the full curved of this picture (assumed it was a full moon)? just to try to compared to the island so we can kinda estimate how big that island is and the rest of environment that can be seen:

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The curves inside the moo
 
Kkapoios said:
We've already recalced that a couple of times and the result was the same, we accept the GBE one because if the energy of the attack was Moon level the two parts would have kept moving forever.
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The fact that you have mentioned that the moon would keep moving would be just conjectures on your part. The things that are directly shown on screen are the

  • two halves of the moon split apart (mass remains the same)
  • two halves of the moon moving at a specific velocity shown on screen
According to the new KE rules, we are to calculate the kinetic energy of only the two halves of the moon that were moving. Kinetic energy would take priority over GBE of moon in this case.

The moon pulling itself back together does not negate the KE it has gotten for that calc.
 
Are you serious?

Of course it does.It's simple physics.

The GBE is basically the minimum energy needed for a system to stop being in a gravitational bound state.

The two halfs of the moon did have some KE and due to the conservation of energy there needs to be a force to stop them.This force is the gravity of the moon BUT since the system is still bound by gravity the GBE isn't reached yet.
 
I would appreciate if everybody would please try to be polite and get along. Thank you.
 
Kkapoios said:
Are you serious?
Of course it does.It's simple physics.

The GBE is basically the minimum energy needed for a system to stop being in a gravitational bound state.

The two halfs of the moon did have some KE and due to the conservation of energy there needs to be a force to stop them.This force is the gravity of the moon BUT since the system is still bound by gravity the GBE isn't reached yet.
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You're assuming that because a scene does not obey physics it must not be a legit feat and not the level it is displayed at. If this was the case I could argue every vaporization feat is wrong because if it was really that amount of energy the air would be superheated and have more than just a little steam coming off of it. Or that Master Chief can't really dodge a bullet because then his brain would be splattered against his skull.

Clearly the halves move apart with Small Planet energy so there are 3 solutions here:

  • The Moon has higher GBE than ours
  • The Moon was pulled back with unknown means
  • Naruto has different gravity than our universe
 
So once again for the sake of an upgrade we should ignore physics and use an unreliable timeframe (cinematic time) to find the result.
 
Kkapoios said:
So once again for the sake of an upgrade we should ignore physics and use an unreliable timeframe (cinematic time) to find the result.
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Given that Naruto is MHS+ or something by this point cinematic timeframe would suggest the actual timeframe was much faster than what we saw.

Also, we literally ignore physics for almost every single calc because fiction just doesn't work the way real life does.
 
Here is the thing though. Toneri's actual cutting feat uses cinematic time. The moon's split is shown directly on screen without any cuts whatsoever.
 
Um, I don't know anything about calculations but does it need to be redone if it'll still yield a Multi Continent result? I mean, it's not like cutting a moon in half can actually be moon level, right?
 
Cutting something is not something level, yes.

It's below something level.

So guys, what's the verdict on Toneri's upgrade atm?
 
Well, as Kkapoios said, we have discussed this matter several times before, and allegedly re-calculated the feat, with no difference in result. Hence, it might be best to close this thread.
 
Idk if this helps but Ive heard rumors that all of that inside the moon is just inside a pocket dimension, u know, considering this a whole ******* sky and ocean inside it...just sayin.
 
Well, if the original calculation did not take into account the new rules, I guess it can be recalculated by anyone who's willing to do so if it'll change anything.
 
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