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Toneri, Jubi and others Lifting Strength Upgrade

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Lord Hades Prince Of Darkness said:
Either way I would like to know if swinging a sword with that mass, at such a speed is enough to upgrade the god tiers to planet class in striking strength.
Given the sword is made of energy, no there won't be any upgrade.
 
The sword is made of the truth seeking orbs. There does not seem to be any proof, to say that when the truth seeking orbs turn into the giant golden sword, that there mass is somehow reduced.
 
Lord Hades Prince Of Darkness said:
The sword is made of the truth seeking orbs. There does not seem to be any proof, to say that when the truth seeking orbs turn into the giant golden sword, that there mass is somehow reduced.
The proof is that it turns into a golden beam of energy, and Naruto was able to scatter it away by punching. TSB is solid
 
The proof is that it turns into a golden beam of energy, and Naruto was able to scatter it away by punching. TSB is solid

Toneri was holding the sword when swinging to cut the moon in half. If Toneri was able to grab the sword and do that, then there has to be some sort of tangible or physical nature to the sword.

In other words if the sword was purely just energy then how come Toneri can hold the sword?
 
What? You don't need the sword to be tangible to hold it. Kakashi held Kamui Shuriken just fine which are intangible. Vegito has spirit sword too, it doesn't have any mass. Sword can be made of energy. It's fiction.
 
Joseph619 said:
What? You don't need the sword to be tangible to hold it. Kakashi held Kamui Shuriken just fine which are intangible. Vegito has spirit sword too, it doesn't have any mass. Sword can be made of energy. It's fiction.
Fine it's fiction I will let you have that one.

The golden wheel rebirth is made of chakra. Just because the technique is made out of energy or chakra, does not mean we should not take into consideration its mass.

The Susanoo is made out of chakra or energy yet it seems to have some mass to it.

The sword that Toneri has, is just the truth seeking orbs with more chakra being focussed into it. The truth seeking orb is very dense chakra.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
@Dariel
Problem, how does Kurama know that the Juubi drank oceans if he was created after Hagoromo got rid of the Juubi?.

The way it's portaid, Hagoromo and his brother battled the Juubi as soon as the beat their mother. This would mean the Juubi was going wild for some time or it could suck up oceans in minutes to seconds.
In the same way that Kurama knew that he was once part of a being like the Jubi, he should have known it from Hagoromo, or from Indra or Asura who should have heard it from Hagoromo. Possibly in the same way in which Hagoromo showed part of the past to Naruto.

It is not known how long Hagoromo and Hamura fought against the Jubi, in the anime it is mentioned that they were months (and taking into account that the fight of high level characters is usually up to one day or more like Hashirama and Madara or Naruto and Sasuke may make sense such a mention), but within the lapse of time that such a battle took place, things must have happened that Kurama mentioned he drank oceans, spit open the earth, hoisted up mountains.
 
Lord Hades Prince Of Darkness said:
The sword, since it has more chakra being passed through it-it should be more dense than how the truth seeking orbs regularly are.
Not really. Plenty of energy contructs have tangible properties. Doesn't mean we have to assign mass to them. It's simply energy manipulation and projection
 
The proof is that it turns into a golden beam of energy, and Naruto was able to scatter it away by punching. TSB is solid

Toneri fuses the Gudodama and expands them by covering them with the golden chakra of the Tenseigan, no idea where they get that it is a ray of energy. The Gudodama are not solid, they are a malleable substance, they can take any form and they are separated into several parts when they come into contact with a Kurama chakra shield. Senjutsu is the most logical since the natural energy is their weakness.
 
Unite My Rice said:
Regardless, that's calc stacking.
And it's calc stacking for what reason? Do you seriously forget to argue the statements that leave or simply expect us to know what think when doing it?
 
Not really. Plenty of energy contructs have tangible properties. Doesn't mean we have to assign mass to them. It's simply energy manipulation and projection

I agree that plenty of energy products in fiction do have tangible properties. I'm not just assigning mass for no reason at all randomly. Chakra does not have the same properties as other forms of energy in fiction, especially the truth seeking orbs.

We know that chakra can be so dense and heavy. For instance version 2 tail beast form Naruto, created a tailed beast bomb that was so dense that, he could not lift it because it was so heavy. And it was only a few centimetres in size.

We all ready know that the truth seeking orbs are dense. They are composed of the five elements.

I do not know how Toneri's sword would weigh less mass, if he suffuses the orbs with more chakra.
 
Dariel Senju said:
And it's calc stacking for what reason? Do you seriously forget to argue the statements that leave or simply expect us to know what think when doing it?
Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats.

"Well if u use toneris attack speed and lets say that the density is 10 times higher than pure water which should be the minimum u get
5.59222E+32 J which is indeed slighty above baseline planet level"

Straightforward.
 
I agree with UMR. It is better to use the displayed destructive output from Toneri's feat instead.

Perhaps we should close this thread.
 
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