-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Toneri, Jubi and others Lifting Strength Upgrade
- Thread starter Dariel_Senju
- Start date
- Status
Given the sword is made of energy, no there won't be any upgrade.
Why does it being energy not give the feat an upgrade?
Why does it being energy not give the feat an upgrade?
The sword is made of the truth seeking orbs. There does not seem to be any proof, to say that when the truth seeking orbs turn into the giant golden sword, that there mass is somehow reduced.
The proof is that it turns into a golden beam of energy, and Naruto was able to scatter it away by punching. TSB is solid
Toneri was holding the sword when swinging to cut the moon in half. If Toneri was able to grab the sword and do that, then there has to be some sort of tangible or physical nature to the sword.
In other words if the sword was purely just energy then how come Toneri can hold the sword?
Toneri was holding the sword when swinging to cut the moon in half. If Toneri was able to grab the sword and do that, then there has to be some sort of tangible or physical nature to the sword.
In other words if the sword was purely just energy then how come Toneri can hold the sword?
- 6,872
- 1,960
Regardless, that's calc stacking.
- 16,927
- 4,844
To be fair, Kakashi isn't a good example because he was holding them via Susano, which is, well. kinda made of pure energy.
Fine it's fiction I will let you have that one.Joseph619 said:
The golden wheel rebirth is made of chakra. Just because the technique is made out of energy or chakra, does not mean we should not take into consideration its mass.
The Susanoo is made out of chakra or energy yet it seems to have some mass to it.
The sword that Toneri has, is just the truth seeking orbs with more chakra being focussed into it. The truth seeking orb is very dense chakra.
The sword, since it has more chakra being passed through it-it should be more dense than how the truth seeking orbs regularly are.
- 315
- 25
- Thread starter
- #52
In the same way that Kurama knew that he was once part of a being like the Jubi, he should have known it from Hagoromo, or from Indra or Asura who should have heard it from Hagoromo. Possibly in the same way in which Hagoromo showed part of the past to Naruto.LordGriffin1000 said:
It is not known how long Hagoromo and Hamura fought against the Jubi, in the anime it is mentioned that they were months (and taking into account that the fight of high level characters is usually up to one day or more like Hashirama and Madara or Naruto and Sasuke may make sense such a mention), but within the lapse of time that such a battle took place, things must have happened that Kurama mentioned he drank oceans, spit open the earth, hoisted up mountains.
- 315
- 25
- Thread starter
- #54
The proof is that it turns into a golden beam of energy, and Naruto was able to scatter it away by punching. TSB is solid
Toneri fuses the Gudodama and expands them by covering them with the golden chakra of the Tenseigan, no idea where they get that it is a ray of energy. The Gudodama are not solid, they are a malleable substance, they can take any form and they are separated into several parts when they come into contact with a Kurama chakra shield. Senjutsu is the most logical since the natural energy is their weakness.
Toneri fuses the Gudodama and expands them by covering them with the golden chakra of the Tenseigan, no idea where they get that it is a ray of energy. The Gudodama are not solid, they are a malleable substance, they can take any form and they are separated into several parts when they come into contact with a Kurama chakra shield. Senjutsu is the most logical since the natural energy is their weakness.
- 315
- 25
- Thread starter
- #55
And it's calc stacking for what reason? Do you seriously forget to argue the statements that leave or simply expect us to know what think when doing it?Unite My Rice said:
Not really. Plenty of energy contructs have tangible properties. Doesn't mean we have to assign mass to them. It's simply energy manipulation and projection
I agree that plenty of energy products in fiction do have tangible properties. I'm not just assigning mass for no reason at all randomly. Chakra does not have the same properties as other forms of energy in fiction, especially the truth seeking orbs.
We know that chakra can be so dense and heavy. For instance version 2 tail beast form Naruto, created a tailed beast bomb that was so dense that, he could not lift it because it was so heavy. And it was only a few centimetres in size.
We all ready know that the truth seeking orbs are dense. They are composed of the five elements.
I do not know how Toneri's sword would weigh less mass, if he suffuses the orbs with more chakra.
I agree that plenty of energy products in fiction do have tangible properties. I'm not just assigning mass for no reason at all randomly. Chakra does not have the same properties as other forms of energy in fiction, especially the truth seeking orbs.
We know that chakra can be so dense and heavy. For instance version 2 tail beast form Naruto, created a tailed beast bomb that was so dense that, he could not lift it because it was so heavy. And it was only a few centimetres in size.
We all ready know that the truth seeking orbs are dense. They are composed of the five elements.
I do not know how Toneri's sword would weigh less mass, if he suffuses the orbs with more chakra.
- 6,872
- 1,960
Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats.Dariel Senju said:
"Well if u use toneris attack speed and lets say that the density is 10 times higher than pure water which should be the minimum u get 5.59222E+32 J which is indeed slighty above baseline planet level"
Straightforward.
- 6,872
- 1,960
I think so.
- Status
Similar threads
