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Tokyo Revengers Discussion Thread!
- Thread starter Shyouu
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It's just Aura - Fear inducling.Aura and Fear manipulation
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Nggak cat, ini lebih ke aura Fear inducling
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Wow, Ok thanks for letting me know, I guess it's a different thing.
DenLitz
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I just calculated the speed from Izana and got the Hypersonic+ result, and the Pixel Scaling and Other issues have been evaluated by KLOL and I believe it's correct
I'd like to ask your opinion how consistent this feat is, and will it scale to Mikey as well? to be scaled to Mikey for some reason I'm not sure, because Izana's speed during the feat looks different from when he fight Mikey
Link Calc : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DenLitz/Calculation_Izana's_speed_when_helping_Kakucho
I'd like to ask your opinion how consistent this feat is, and will it scale to Mikey as well? to be scaled to Mikey for some reason I'm not sure, because Izana's speed during the feat looks different from when he fight Mikey
Link Calc : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DenLitz/Calculation_Izana's_speed_when_helping_Kakucho
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Yes! I'll use him even more after this lmao
Maybe and let me explain why smiley is comparable to the twin brother who scale to FTE speed but whenever he is crying he become 100x stronger... (And faster too since after that his speed become so fast to the point those who he is comparable can't see him anymore) in other word smiley is possibly hundred times faster than FTE and < kakucho < Izana < Mikey.
Bloodlust mikey should scale.
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Yeah mikey scales.
DenLitz
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Can you give me the reason? because I think Izana's speed condition against Mikey is different from helping Kakucho
1. Izana against Mikey was due to his selfishness in defeating Mikey, while when helping Kakucho he didn't even need the intention to move his body, in Izana's State "My Body Moved on is own" was supported by his initial state, namely "Damn it" and " You're the only one I have". This is different in my opinion, This is like the case of Izana's body moving on its own with her instincts because of her love for Kakucho, while against Mikey, Izana was already devoured by her selfishness because he was exposed to some kind of provocation by Mikey, it was supported by her chaotic movements as well. It's different in my opinion
2. We know that Mikey's kick is an FTE, but FTE in the case of Subsonic will be known depending on the attack being shot at the enemy (ordinary human) who can't see the movement of Subsonic's attack, and when Izana vs Mikey happens it's normal for the other members to be at a distance far enough to see their fight even Takemichi and Draken had time to analyze it, but when the shot was fired at Kakucho the first time (Precisely when Izana shouted) no one could see the bullet shot, and when Izana helped Kakucho the other members' reactions also said " I Can't see what heppened" "who got shot" this is appropriate if Izana's movement is as fast as a bullet (if calculated even more)
In conclusion, Izana's speed against Mikey was different from when Izana helped Kakucho, Izana was very selfish to move her body to attack Mikey, while when she helped Kakucho, her body did not move because of her selfishness, but her Instinct of Love towards Kakucho so he could react when Kakucho was in danger when The gun ringing made his body move on its own with an Instinct that couldn't be fooled anymore, and remember it was supported by the perspective of the other members who couldn't see Izana's movements like bullets.
Note : When I discussed with KLOL, he said Izana's speed is not like normal speed, should put on Izana's profile a note like this "At Least Hypersonic+(With something that can push her limits, or can trigger her instincts, or some kind of Bloodlust). also according to when fighting Mikey in the manga, Izana only follows his selfishness & nothing can push his limits because he is kind of provoked by Mikey's words, therefore without Rule Blooust or something like Hypersonic+ Izana can't be used arbitrarily for no reason as I mentioned above AKA still Mikey > Izana if the rules are as usual
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Izana is not a girl my man anyway mikey can touch Izana and thus he should somehow scale plus mikey is not bloodlusted at that time base on what I've seen his strength and speed is completely depends on his mood like at first hanma can react to his FTE kicks but after releasing a murderer vibe the power and the speed of his kick change but even if we ignored all of that he was narratively portrayed as the strongest and fastest human alive in his universe so he is automatically scale above everyone in that series and yes that way of scaling can be use since that's the case with shallow and saitama too and probably the other verse that i don't know.
DenLitz
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No, I have discussed & asked KLOL for quite a long time, and KLOL said "only in Izana scales" as I described above, Izana's Reaction with Instinct is more Superrior than Izana's Movement with Selfishness, Their movement is really different, I think You need to understand again what I mean.
Izana was able to move in the calculations I did because her movements were triggered by the sound of a gun and with Izana's instincts who loved Kakucho so much Izana's body was able to move by itself. You can see it in the Manga, Izana only has Kakucho. and against Mikey there was nothing that could trigger his instincts/cause Izana to move beyond her limits.
DenLitz
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Keep in mind once again, Izana really loves Kakucho because Kakucho is her childhood friend and Kakucho is the only one he has, it's shown in the manga, and the rest you have to understand again what I mean above, I know this will be a little difficult to understand because requires careful analysis. so think with a cool head and understand what I mean, that's why I'm asking for your opinion, who knows who is able to think & analyze more thoroughly than me.
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It should be noted that at that time Mikey was handicapped and cannot perform his prime physical strength/speed for various reason as
A) Mikey was devastated at that time because of his sister's death, even Izana commented about Mikey in his "bad" state(1), heck even it was outright stated that he was handicapped(2)
B) Mikey purpose was to "save" Izana(3), not to kill him or defeat him which may prove he wasnt using all of his power
C) He isnt in Dark Impulse Mode, as we all know Mikey is a lot stronger in Dark Impulse Mode, yet he was able to fight with izana regarding all of above issues
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However i do think that Izana is superior in terms of speed, so maybe we can put
"Possibly Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Izana)"
in Mikey's Profile
A) Mikey was devastated at that time because of his sister's death, even Izana commented about Mikey in his "bad" state(1), heck even it was outright stated that he was handicapped(2)
B) Mikey purpose was to "save" Izana(3), not to kill him or defeat him which may prove he wasnt using all of his power
C) He isnt in Dark Impulse Mode, as we all know Mikey is a lot stronger in Dark Impulse Mode, yet he was able to fight with izana regarding all of above issues
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However i do think that Izana is superior in terms of speed, so maybe we can put
"Possibly Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Izana)"
in Mikey's Profile
DenLitz
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Please understand first what I mean above, Izana will only use Hypersonic+ if there is a Triger that can make Izana exceed her limit. If Mikey wasn't even serious from the start, it even strengthened that Mikey couldn't trigger Izana's instincts like when a gunshot was fired at Kakucho.It should be noted that at that time Mikey was handicapped and cannot perform his prime physical strength/speed for various reason as
A) Mikey was devastated at that time because of his sister's death, even Izana commented about Mikey in his "bad" state(1), heck even it was outright stated that he was handicapped(2)
B) Mikey purpose was to "save" Izana(3), not to kill him or defeat him which may prove he wasnt using all of his power
C) He isnt in Dark Impulse Mode, as we all know Mikey is a lot stronger in Dark Impulse Mode, yet he was able to fight with izana regarding all of above issues
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However i do think that Izana is superior in terms of speed, so maybe we can put
"Possibly Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Izana)"
in Mikey's Profile
Again, I really appreciate your opinion, but this needs more thorough analysis. I would be very happy if you could analyze more thoroughly
Even KLOL(Calc Group&Staff) here also agree that Izana's speed is not a speed that can exist in every fight, there must be a certain reason that can trigger her instincts to go beyond her limit, Even KLOL also said that Izana fought Seriously it doesn't mean he's exceeded her limit, the reason is as previously
I will be happy to wait for your next opinion and of course it needs more analysis and thoroughness
DenLitz
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Can you explain it more complexly? if you mean it's in all the fighting arcs I admit Mikey >> all the chars in all the "During the Fight" arcs including Izana in the Manga. and Hypersonic+ Izana only exists in the feat when helping Kakucho, that's all. So, if Mikey is a god in every fight I agree, but the problem is Hypersonic+ Izana is not a feat in fighting in the Manga. It was like Izana's hidden speed that could only be triggered by some kind of gunshot to the kakucho or something. So Mikey the god in every fight has nothing to do with Hypersonic+ Izana I think, the reason is simple. The Feat only exists when he helps Kakucho. so if you compare it against Mikey, Izana only makes FTE(Subsonic) moves against Mikey.
Once again I emphasize, Izana's Hypersonic+ is not in the battle feat, it's a suicide feat caused by his instinct to trigger to save Kakucho, So if you mean Mikey God Tier in every battle ofcourse, but remember Izana in the fight there is no indication of using her Hypersonic+ like while helping Kakucho. he died instantly and nothing was shown again.
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DenLitz
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Mikey vs Izana in death battle? Mikey wins maybe Stomp if the rules are as usual(Izana FTE(Subsonic)), isn't that consistent Like in the Manga?
but if the Bloodlust rules allow Izana to be able to issue her best speed/exceed the limit (the limit in question is FTE speed, and if it exceeds that means Hypersonic+) then Izana I think winswins(That one is not shown during his fight with Mikey(I mean Izana vs Mikey is Izana FTE(Subsonic)), it's consistent in my opinion, Hypersonic+ Izana is a kind of ace that will only appear if there is something that can trigger his instincts)
Izana's Hypersonic+ Feat is a little weird, he can't be used if there's nothing that can trigger it, there must be some kind of bloodlust rule that I explained above
but if the Bloodlust rules allow Izana to be able to issue her best speed/exceed the limit (the limit in question is FTE speed, and if it exceeds that means Hypersonic+) then Izana I think winswins(That one is not shown during his fight with Mikey(I mean Izana vs Mikey is Izana FTE(Subsonic)), it's consistent in my opinion, Hypersonic+ Izana is a kind of ace that will only appear if there is something that can trigger his instincts)
Izana's Hypersonic+ Feat is a little weird, he can't be used if there's nothing that can trigger it, there must be some kind of bloodlust rule that I explained above
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I agree with your calculation bro, but I also agree with the opinion that Sano Manjiro should get hypersonic+.
1. Mikey is a God tier in tokyo revenger
2. Sano Manjiro at least got hypersonic+, just like baji's feats when he helped chifuyu, baji get wall level, Then Sano Manjiro get wall level. So at least Sano Manjiro got hypersonic+/Possible Hypersonic+ via compareable/strongest than izana.
DenLitz
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No one seems to understand what I'm saying correctly.
1. Even though it's Mikey God Tier, it's only because of his Victory & Prowess in fighting. and the problem is that Hypersonic+ Izana only exists at certain times, namely when helping Kakucho not during the fight against Mikey. I have written a long explanation above
2. Mikey is superior to Baji because literally Feat Ap Baji can be in all fights(Normal feat) , and Mikey has superior power from Baji with that record already shown in the fight. while Izana is different, he only appears when her senses/instincts can be triggered, and that only exists when she saves Kakucho, a more complete explanation is in my previous message.
In conclusion: Baji and Mikey were compared when Baji's AP Feat was indeed a normal Feat, it was like comparing Baji & Mikey's Full Power in their original fight. while Izana he didn't show his Hypersonic+ feat in battle, only said Mikey God Tier because he was able to beat Izana it didn't make sense to get a scale from Mikey, because Izana at that time only used FTE speed, so you don't really compare Feat Full Power Izana & Mikey, different from Baji's feat which is a normal feat.
DenLitz
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So I mean Izana's feat is not a normal feat that can exist in every fight. there needs to be something that triggers his senses/instincts to go beyond his limits.
So without Rules like Bloodlust in battle, Izana's Hypersonic feat will most likely not be used, he will only use feats at her limit, namely FTE.
So without Rules like Bloodlust in battle, Izana's Hypersonic feat will most likely not be used, he will only use feats at her limit, namely FTE.
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I understand what your saying.
There's nothing to indicate that he got amped by so much that even Mikey wouldn't scale to the feat. there's actually more for the opposite as Draken even states that his muscles/limbs are getting tired so he is likely fatigued.
He never once stated that he went beyond his limits. He said that his body moved on its own. That's two completely different things. your body moving on its own is not a reason to move 10's of times faster it's ridiculous, Mikey 100% scales.
There's nothing to indicate that he got amped by so much that even Mikey wouldn't scale to the feat. there's actually more for the opposite as Draken even states that his muscles/limbs are getting tired so he is likely fatigued.
He never once stated that he went beyond his limits. He said that his body moved on its own. That's two completely different things. your body moving on its own is not a reason to move 10's of times faster it's ridiculous, Mikey 100% scales.
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agree with this
DenLitz
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You don't seem to understand what I mean
Beyond the Limit I don't mean through direct words, beyond the limit I mean Izana is able to move on her own when the bullet is fired and get Hypersonic+ results it's not for a reason, it's because she loves Kakucho. From the perspective of the other members as well, they couldn't see what Izana was doing which was beyond the previous limit against Mikey where the other members could see his moves.
Izana's body moving on its own has Hypersonic+ achievements, and against Mikey it's only FTE at least, why is that?
1. Because Izana really loves Kakucho and he admits it himself
2. Because against Mikey at the beginning of the match he didn't get anything that could trigger his instinctive senses like in the case of Kakucho, and when he looked serious at the end because he had been provoked by Mikey's words that he didn't like which made the movement unstable
3. When fighting Mikey the other members could clearly see their fight & even Takemichi and his friends could tell that Izana's movements were slowing down
4. Izana's movement slows down when she uses all of her abilities at her limit which is FTE, and in order to exceed the limit, fighting seriously is not enough, there needs to be a trigger to trigger Izana's instincts so that her instinctively triggered body has a much faster reaction than her thought process (its limit) which he himself said "My Body Moved Its Own".
5. Limit = No matter how strong Izana's will is in moving without any triggers that can trigger her instincts like the kakucho case, Exceeding/Beyond the Limits = her movement is beyond Izana's will to move, her body can even react on its own which has a Hypersonic+ Rating
I have explained here as complexly as possible, and KLOL also agrees with me. If there is a stronger reason Mikey can scale it up and explain it in a complex way so I can understand it
Beyond the Limit I don't mean through direct words, beyond the limit I mean Izana is able to move on her own when the bullet is fired and get Hypersonic+ results it's not for a reason, it's because she loves Kakucho. From the perspective of the other members as well, they couldn't see what Izana was doing which was beyond the previous limit against Mikey where the other members could see his moves.
Izana's body moving on its own has Hypersonic+ achievements, and against Mikey it's only FTE at least, why is that?
1. Because Izana really loves Kakucho and he admits it himself
2. Because against Mikey at the beginning of the match he didn't get anything that could trigger his instinctive senses like in the case of Kakucho, and when he looked serious at the end because he had been provoked by Mikey's words that he didn't like which made the movement unstable
3. When fighting Mikey the other members could clearly see their fight & even Takemichi and his friends could tell that Izana's movements were slowing down
4. Izana's movement slows down when she uses all of her abilities at her limit which is FTE, and in order to exceed the limit, fighting seriously is not enough, there needs to be a trigger to trigger Izana's instincts so that her instinctively triggered body has a much faster reaction than her thought process (its limit) which he himself said "My Body Moved Its Own".
5. Limit = No matter how strong Izana's will is in moving without any triggers that can trigger her instincts like the kakucho case, Exceeding/Beyond the Limits = her movement is beyond Izana's will to move, her body can even react on its own which has a Hypersonic+ Rating
I have explained here as complexly as possible, and KLOL also agrees with me. If there is a stronger reason Mikey can scale it up and explain it in a complex way so I can understand it
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Did Mikey actually fight on par with Izana in his bloodlusted-selfless state? Or am I missing anything else? Sorry, not an expert on TokRev.
Mr._Undetected
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can Mikey get fear-inducing like what happened in chapter 232?
Mr._Undetected
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I think Mikey when he fought Izana wasn't bloodlusted, he was just very serious, considering Izana could match him and even almost beat him, and also I think he remembers their brotherly bond, so Mikey doesn't seem too bloodlusted
DenLitz
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Yes, that's the point. Mikey has to Triger against Izana's instincts like in the Kakucho case to be able to scale to Hypersonic+ too. But on the contrary, Mikey said words that Izana didn't like and made Izana's movements even more chaotic
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I was talking about whether Izana was bloodlusted, not Mikey.
DenLitz
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I will express my opinion
Izana's match scene is divided into 2 conditions, the first is the condition of a landslide victory, the second is the condition of losing
The reason when he first fought with Mikey he excelled because:
1. Mikey's position at that time was not in the best condition
2. That caused Izana to not be able to pull Bloodlust at all, on the contrary, Izana actually seemed to be having fun while kicking Mikey
The reason for Izana's second situation in a losing position:
1. Izana who plays too much with Mikey (aka he doesn't seem to be fighting a bloodlust) which makes Mikey drain his Stamina unconsciously
2. And Izana was exposed to a provocation due to Mikey saying "I will save you" or something that obviously made Izana unhappy/provoked, and since then Izana's movements have become increasingly irregular
Can you conclude whether Izana is in a Bloodlust condition or not
DenLitz
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In addition, Izana looked serious facing Mikey at the end, but that was when he was in a state of being provoked, and it was proven by his instincts & his unstable mind as he got into a debate with Kakucho and he had told Kakuchi to Shut Up with a Loud Tone, which is when Izana's instincts & thoughts really got to the point. stable (or regardless of the impact of the provocation) he says "he only has kakucho" and he seems very fond of him, which is in contrast to when he scolded Kakucho, because his instincts & thoughts were unstable due to being provoked
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I am implied to believe the second option to be much nearer the bloodlust argument.
But I still believe the Kakucho situation is Izana truly entering a real bloodlusted state since this is basically a last-ditch effort with everything he cares for being put at stake. Put at stake being the key trigger condition.
It's like in God of War Ghost of Sparta. Once Kratos saw his brother Deimos being slammed to death by Thanatos, that's what caused Kratos to finally blow his lid and enact brutal vengeance on Thanatos, gaining access to infinite magic of Thera's Bane.
DenLitz
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Yeah, Completely agree with you
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yes he can.
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When Izana got more and more emotional Mikey was actually stomping him.
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This "bloodlusted" amp is going to make him almost 100x faster than a Mikey that was beating his ass?
DenLitz
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Also keep in mind, if Izana uses her Hypersonic against Mikey, it will be inconsistent, because if at that time her own speed was already Hypersonic why did he point a gun at Mikey as if the gun was faster than him? I think this is clear, if Hypersonic Izana is not present in every fight there must be a certain trigger, and it will be scaled to only him.
Also, still Mikey > Izana if without Bloodlust Rules (which can trigger his Hypersonic)
Also, still Mikey > Izana if without Bloodlust Rules (which can trigger his Hypersonic)
Mr._Undetected
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Ah my bad
but I guess Izana isn't bloodlusted either
I think at the beginning Izana was just a little crazy/let's say belittling Mikey, and that's also part of his nature, and at the end when he was about to lose, Izana was just so angry in the sense of anger that he didn't care about anything, even though I didn't know it could be classified as Bloodlust , but I think he's like that because of his hatred when he sees the image of Mikey, Emma, and his sister whom he really likes, Shinichiro.
and I think because of Shinichiro's death he was very sad, and seeing his reflection there was Shinichi's figure, it made him angry and hated Mikey, also the reason he didn't hesitate to shoot Mikey
Mr._Undetected
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I think about this, because basically Izana wants to kill Mikey right away and when he is "provoked" he can't beat Mikey, and that's why he is looking for ways to kill Mikey, one of which is with a gun.
Sure.
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