Toei Goku's Non-Physical Interaction

[The_real_cal_howard]

Incredibly false. Comes from being able to hit the Ghost Warriors, which has a bunch of holes in it.

One, the "Ghost" Warriors bodies impact with structures. Not their attacks, their bodies. They don't go through buildings but make craters in them when being hit into them.

Two, they're made of gas. There's nothing more for me to say about it. They're physical bodies of gas.

Three, even if they were true ghosts (they're not), ghosts that keep their own bodies in DB are completely physical, as seen with Goku in the Buu Saga, Frieza in the ToP, and Grandpa Gohan.

 

[Kepekley23]

Kid Boo has this though.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

???

 

[Kepekley23]

Kid Boo was going to destroy the Grand Kai's Planet with his energy blast, re-kill everyone and wreak havoc in the Other World in general.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean...does that matter? I'm seriosuly asking rather than trying to be snarky.

 

[DMB_1]

Got em' categories.

Following anyway.

 

[Kepekley23]

It kinda does, because he was doing it with a normal, run-of-the-mill energy blast. There's really nothing that would differentiate between his energy blasts and anyone else's. Unlike people like King Piccolo (who erases people whenever he kills them) or Gogeta, who were outright stated to be different.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Did Buu ever kill a spirit though? Yes or no. (Again, not trying to be snarky, just direct) I remember him wrecking the shit of Pikkon and the like, but Point Three. And destroying Other World doesn't translate necessarily to destroying ghosts.

 

[Kepekley23]

I would have to rewatch the scene to give that answer - but destroying the Other World without...destroying the Other World is impossible.

Also, point three isn't actually true. They do recover their physical bodies, but they aren't solid (at least when they're on the Other World) - that's just for visual convenience. Remember when Goku teleported to the Earth in the Bojack movie while he was still dead, breaking the laws of the dead? He was actually shown to be transparent and invisible to everyone else there.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I remember that bit. I was certain that was just a massive inconsistency though. Goku shouldn't have been able to see anyone when he was revived in Other World.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I agree with this.

Also Buu having NPI, even if true doesn't mean Goku does.

 

[Kepekley23]

There's no reason for it to be if you keep it in mind. It shows that those who are in the Other World only appear to be solid, but are actually not. Which means Kid Boo killing people in the Other World, regardless of whether they retain a body or not, is a Non-Physical Interaction feat.

 

[Wokistan]

Gas is intangible though.

 

[Antoniofer]

I think that characters that are alive and go to the DB's Afterlife can interact with spirits and similar stuff normally.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Gas is still made of matter.

 

[DMB_1]

Didn't Videl and Dabura have ghostly tails when they were in the afterlife?

 

[Kepekley23]

Didn't Videl and Dabura have ghostly tails when they were in the afterlife?

Yep.

 

[Kepekley23]

I remember that bit. I was certain that was just a massive inconsistency though. Goku shouldn't have been able to see anyone when he was revived in Other World.

Goku was actually allowed by King Yemma and had the paperwork filled. In fact, when his time on Earth runs out he visibly drops unconscious and has his energy taken away, showing there was a magical spell cast on him for him to return to the Earth.

 

[Kepekley23]

I think that characters that are alive and go to the DB's Afterlife can interact with spirits and similar stuff normally.

This was never shown, aside from Kami and Kid Boo who are both not normal humanlike characters. Unless you meant this to be an agreement to the "characters ca interact with souls" instead of proposing the idea that souls in DBZ are physical or something.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku was actually allowed by King Yemma and had the paperwork filled. In fact, when his time on Earth runs out he visibly drops unconscious and has his energy taken away, showing there was a magical spell cast on him for him to return to the Earth.

I was talking about when Goku was brought back with the Dragon Balls back in the Saiyan Saga.

 

[Kepekley23]

Goku was actually allowed by King Yemma and had the paperwork filled. In fact, when his time on Earth runs out he visibly drops unconscious and has his energy taken away, showing there was a magical spell cast on him for him to return to the Earth.

I was talking about when Goku was brought back with the Dragon Balls back in the Saiyan Saga.

But he actually doesn't see anyone in the waiting line when he goes back. He only sees King Kai, who isn't dead, and King Yemma and Kami (who aren't dead either)

 

[Wokistan]

Gas is still made of matter.

Doesn't make it not intangible, and thus being able to interact with it as if it was a solid is still NPI.

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, when Piccolo was revived I think he could have interacted with everyone normally, or at the very least, there weren't any notable difference.

 

[Kepekley23]

But Piccolo was revived, as you said yourself. Why wouldn't he be able to interact with people, demon-king shenanigans aside?

...Wait, now that I said this, anyone who is killed by King Piccolo is supposed to be erased from existence and never pass on. How the hell was Goku sent to the Other World when Piccolo killed him? This is a major plothole.

 

[Antoniofer]

Gas is still made of matter.

Doesn't make it not intangible, and thus being able to interact with it as if it was a solid is still NPI.

Depends, I do not known of what scene is being talked here, but if someone is made of air and receive an AoE attack it can still damage it; NPI would be if it interact with gas like it were made completely solid.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, Piccolo could still see the other Z Warriors. Goku could still see Frieza in Hell as well. Both in GT and Super.

 

[Kepekley23]

> Piccolo could still see the other Z Warriors

When did this happen? Even then, Piccolo is the reincarnation of the Demon King, so it's expected.

> Goku could still see Frieza in Hell as well. Both in GT and Super.

Goku can interact with spirits. This is a circular argument.

 

[Antoniofer]

@Kep, I think it has to do with the fact he was considered a demon before (refering to Piccolo Senior), now (for someone reason) he is no longer a demon and can't destroy souls once it kill someone. This was recently blought up recently in DBS, when Jiren's master can't be revived cuz it was destroyed by a demon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yet if Goku can, anyone can. Which obviously isn't true.

 

[Warren_Valion]

I think King Piccolo's erased from existence thing is fear-mongering bullshit.

Was there any proof or did someone just say it?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Furthermore Chi Chi could see Grandpa Gohan during the whole Annin debacle.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I think King Piccolo's erased from existence thing is fear-mongering bullshit.
Was there any proof or did someone just say it?

I think Kami said that to Mr Popo when talking about Goku and Raditz ending up in the afterlife despite being killed by Piccolo.

 

[Kepekley23]

Grandpa Gohan explains that the furnace is a special case, actually.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, when Goku is brought to the battlefield by Shenron in Movie 10, he comes down the skies as an intangible spirit before he lands into the ground and is described as a "phantom" by the narrator.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Dust Collector

Not only that, Korrin states it too in OG Dragon Ball.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think Kami said that to Mr Popo when talking about Goku and Raditz ending up in the afterlife despite being killed by Piccolo.

Chaotzu would be dead permanently if this were the case.

 

[Antoniofer]

If Goku is dead and wasn't brought up that witch's power (or similar) then he shouldn't be tangible; also, it may be possible than that instance was especial (is the Broly's movie, right?).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Still. Buu isn't Goku.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Buu doesn't have special ki, does he?

 

[Death_Dragon98]

This seems insteresting to read.