Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

[XDragnoir]

I obviously don't think that tracks at all, but I skimmed the edits/threads and it seems there was support from many here on the CRT for this rating.
I'm fine with w/e consensus for this ig but like you said we should think about what that means for everybody.

Yeah, I did agree with stuff when it was up to Tier 8 stuff, but I don't think the current argument, with Mikoto's Railgun scaling to her cloud feats does really make sense.

 

[Aseka]

How did they scale to 7-A...? I don't understand at all.

 

[XDragnoir]

How did they scale to 7-A...? I don't understand at all.

Railgun scales to H7A, Salome scales to 1/5 of that, everyone scales to Salome.

 

[Aseka]

Railgun scales to H7A, Salome scales to 1/5 of that, everyone scales to Salome.

Damn, so that's how it is.

 

[Churronzon]

ALICE GOES ON AN ADVENTURE AND RESCUES KINGSFORD AND CRC FROM HELL. CMON KAMACHI MAKE IT HAPPEN

“Burning something requires phlogiston, observing one of a pair of separated particles determines the spin of the other one no matter the distance between them, neutrinos can travel faster than light. It might sound ridiculous, but if the girl links together the surrounding theories to build up a solid basis and makes it convincing enough, she can create an actual functioning theory. Even if the idea she started with was flawed and even if the values she started with came from faulty measurements.”

“You mean…?”

“It works even if the theory is how to resurrect the dead. After all, magic is meant to give people joyous hopes and fun dreams.”

WHAT WAS THAT PEAK DEMON KING ILLUSTRATION FOR

 

[Deonment]

When it comes to Curtana the debate is "Compact vs Large Dimensions"

Saw this elsewhere for a bit, and is that genuinely the whole issue with Curtana's Infinite Dimensional Stuff (asking because I don't know the verse)?
Because if so, that doesn't matter as a natural consequence of how Infinite D stuff works, as if you have a non-zero length in infinite dimensions, you get an infinite ∞-D Hypervolume (to tldr the explanation, if you multiply a length, even a Planck one, by itself infinite times, you are going to get infinity at the end, and so if you have a dimensional "hierarchy" with infinite dimensions, even if they are all compactified, if you go to get the hypervolume of the entire structure, you are going to get out an infinite ∞-D hypervolume as you proceed to multiply the Planck length by itself infinitely), so them being compactified wouldn't stop it all from being High 1-B

 

[DontTalkDT]

Saw this elsewhere for a bit, and is that genuinely the whole issue with Curtana's Infinite Dimensional Stuff (asking because I don't know the verse)?
Because if so, that doesn't matter as a natural consequence of how Infinite D stuff works, as if you have a non-zero length in infinite dimensions, you get an infinite ∞-D Hypervolume (to tldr the explanation, if you multiply a length, even a Planck one, by itself infinite times, you are going to get infinity at the end, and so if you have a dimensional "hierarchy" with infinite dimensions, even if they are all compactified, if you go to get the hypervolume of the entire structure, you are going to get out an infinite ∞-D hypervolume as you proceed to multiply the Planck length by itself infinitely), so them being compactified wouldn't stop it all from being High 1-B

It's not the whole issue, though I won't weigh in on that.

Just wanna ask where the infinite-D stuff has been established as our standard assumption?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

[Toaru] Magic CRT

Sup. This is the CRT meant to add a verse specific ability page for Toaru's Magic to Toaru's Magicians. A section for Phase Manipulation and those who use it will be added in a future CRT. Here's the page with the details for all the abilities for Toaru's Magic. Before anybody ask, I'll make...

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CRT to add/make a page for Toaru Magic + Saint Stuff for Magicians and Saints, nuff said. Iron out the details with me, peps.

 

[XDragnoir]

Saw this elsewhere for a bit, and is that genuinely the whole issue with Curtana's Infinite Dimensional Stuff (asking because I don't know the verse)?
Because if so, that doesn't matter as a natural consequence of how Infinite D stuff works, as if you have a non-zero length in infinite dimensions, you get an infinite ∞-D Hypervolume (to tldr the explanation, if you multiply a length, even a Planck one, by itself infinite times, you are going to get infinity at the end, and so if you have a dimensional "hierarchy" with infinite dimensions, even if they are all compactified, if you go to get the hypervolume of the entire structure, you are going to get out an infinite ∞-D hypervolume as you proceed to multiply the Planck length by itself infinitely), so them being compactified wouldn't stop it all from being High 1-B

No, you got it completely wrong.

The compact dimension stuff is a different issue that started with recent manga stuff, meanwhile the Curtana problems exist exclusively inside of the OT18 quotes.

The issue with infinite dimensions comes from the fact there's nowhere saying there are infinite dimensions to begin with, meanwhile the compact issue is that the 11D statements only apply to the compact dimensions, meanwhile the Curtana statements apply to what end up being a 2nd type of dimension in the series (in this case large dimensions).

 

[Aseka]

The issue with infinite dimensions comes from the fact there's nowhere saying there are infinite dimensions to begin with, meanwhile the compact issue is that the 11D statements only apply to the compact dimensions, meanwhile the Curtana statements apply to what end up being a 2nd type of dimension in the series (in this case large dimensions).

About this, there is a scene where 11 Dimension Manipulation vs 11 Dimension Interference, and it appears that they have affected the macro world, creating a cross section like Curtana does.

 

[XDragnoir]

About this, there is a scene where 11 Dimension Manipulation vs 11 Dimension Interference, and it appears that they have affected the macro world, creating a cross section like Curtana does.

Could you send it? I am not sure I know what scene you're talking about here.

 

[Aseka]

Could you send it? I am not sure I know what scene you're talking about here.

 

[XDragnoir]

About this, there is a scene where 11 Dimension Manipulation vs 11 Dimension Interference, and it appears that they have affected the macro world, creating a cross section like Curtana does.

That doesn’t look like a cross section? And anyway, it's better if it isn’t, if we lose Curtana we drop to tier 2.

 

[Aseka]

That doesn’t look like a cross section?

So what does it looks like to you? I mean there's a physical appearance of dimensional clash.

 

[XDragnoir]

So what does it looks like to you? I mean there's a physical appearance of dimensional clash.

Bro, it looks like absolutely nothing to me, Curtana’s ability created cross-section debris with a more defined geometrical form, there clearly is a visual effect fot their clash but to call that a cross section seems to be a logical leap.

 

[Zensum]

It looks like a drawing of a Calabi–Yau Manifold which is associated with superstring theory. Nogi musta put It in there and in the previous chapter to illustrate "dimensional things" are happening.

RE: Dimension Convo
I'm still thinking about it, but ignoring Curtana, the teleportation superstring theory stuff in MO at the moment seems to conflict with existing Teleportation statements and minor newer statements in the Item novels. So I'll wait until this arc ends to make a stance on it tbh.

 

[XDragnoir]

It looks like a drawing of a Calabi–Yau Manifold which is associated with superstring theory. Nogi musta put It in there and in the previous chapter to illustrate "dimensional things" are happening.

Good catch, around Kamino before the clash there was a similar thing in the background.

Tho, I am not sure what a calabi yau manifold is, we should wait for direct info/confirmations before using this for anything (before anyone comes Calabiyau, iNFiNitE DiMeNSiOns or whatever).

RE: Dimension Convo
I'm still thinking about it, but ignoring Curtana, the teleportation superstring theory stuff in MO at the moment seems to conflict with existing Teleportation statements and minor newer statements in the Item novels. So I'll wait until this arc ends to make a stance on it tbh.

Agreed that we should wait, but what statement from ITEM are you talking about? I didn’t read most of Item so I don’t know much info inside it.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

[Toaru] Energy System Specification

Hey, hey, fanta here. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:FantaRin_The_First/Toaru_Energy_Systems This is mainly being done as there was never any thread to decide which exact energy system fills Toaru's Magic, so I'm doing it now. Here's the summary if one doesn't want to look at the...

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This had to be done, I suppose.

 

[Zensum]

Good catch, around Kamino before the clash there was a similar thing in the background.

Tho, I am not sure what a calabi yau manifold is, we should wait for direct info/confirmations before using this for anything (before anyone comes Calabiyau, iNFiNitE DiMeNSiOns or whatever).

Agreed. It's very involved, but essentially it's a shape/space that satisfies the rolled up dimensions and conditions postulated in string theory. DT can prob explain it better.

Agreed that we should wait, but what statement from ITEM are you talking about? I didn’t read most of Item so I don’t know much info inside it.

Item novels basically confirm what was in one of the games. Meltdowner research is expected to be proof of 0-D matter, most likely because she manipulates electrons without using particles or waves, but string theory doesn't use 0-D. Instead "point particles" like electrons are considered 1-D objects called strings. That leads us to the more glaring issue... String/superstring theory explicitly doesn't use 11 dimensions.

[Edit]
Looks like GT13 is in august!

 

[XDragnoir]

Item novels basically confirm what was in one of the games. Meltdowner research is expected to be proof of 0-D matter, most likely because she manipulates electrons without using particles or waves, but string theory doesn't use 0-D. Instead "point particles" like electrons are considered 1-D objects called strings. That leads us to the more glaring issue... String/superstring theory explicitly doesn't use 11 dimensions.

IMO that's proof of 2 things, more or less:

1) The concept of dimensions in Toaru is a mixture of multiple IRL things, I think this kinda helps my point that Curtana Dimensions and Teleporter Dimensions are different, given as you said there's seemingly no singular theory to account for everything in Toaru.

2) Kamachi has no damn idea what the hell he is talking about.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Johnny Test vs Misaka Mikoto (Johnny Test vs Toaru Majutsu no Index)

Well, after the recent Johnny Test CRT, as well as Misaka's profile (finally) getting fixed, I decided to do this. This was a matchup I wanted to do for a lil while now (about a month I think), because of how fairly even and versatile these characters are in certain areas. Johnny Test vs Misaka...

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For any of y'all interested...

 

[Tzimtzumim]

Saw this elsewhere for a bit, and is that genuinely the whole issue with Curtana's Infinite Dimensional Stuff (asking because I don't know the verse)?
Because if so, that doesn't matter as a natural consequence of how Infinite D stuff works, as if you have a non-zero length in infinite dimensions, you get an infinite ∞-D Hypervolume (to tldr the explanation, if you multiply a length, even a Planck one, by itself infinite times, you are going to get infinity at the end, and so if you have a dimensional "hierarchy" with infinite dimensions, even if they are all compactified, if you go to get the hypervolume of the entire structure, you are going to get out an infinite ∞-D hypervolume as you proceed to multiply the Planck length by itself infinitely), so them being compactified wouldn't stop it all from being High 1-B

Already mostly addressed, but no, Curtana itself substantiated how dimensions worked so that they wouldn't be compactified (besides the recent events, since Curtana was way before this).
The issues taken with Curtana here were that the statements did not need these dimensions to actually exist, instead treating it as relative to the existing dimensions in the verse, and not justifying a higher number than that given number (11) existing. You can probably just look at the old rejection threads for it if you want to know why it was rejected.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Misaka's profile has some not okay links

 

[XDragnoir]

Alright, shall we start by clearing up the reference to parallel worlds from the very beginning?

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…” “Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.”

This is the widely circulated js06 translation. Whether it’s due to differences between Japanese and English, if we read it as is, it comes across as:

Nephthys: “Parallel worlds don’t exist?” Kamisato: “Yeah.”

However, if we look at the original Japanese:



Nephthys: “I can’t believe it. The parallel world is…” Kamisato: “Yeah, they don’t exist infinitely.”

In Japanese, it’s simply: “Parallel worlds… / Yeah, they’re not infinite.”

All Kamisato is doing is confirming that they’re not infinite—nothing more. It seems js06 phrased it that way to make it more natural for English readers, but it ends up changing the original meaning entirely.

What is the kanji for parallel worlds used here?

 

[Zensum]

Since I have it in front of me... @XDragnoir
へいこうせかい = 並行世界 = Noun 1. parallel world; parallel universe.

RAW

「･････、できない。できっこない。だって、並行世界というのは—————」
「そう、釘を打ったパチンコ台にゴム紐を掛けるようなもので、結局一本線。並行する世界が 無限にある訳じゃない。でも同時に、世界はゴム紐なのさ。時間や空間みたいに伸縮する。ぼ く達の知る世界は意外と無駄が多くてね。六〇コマのフィルムを一〇コマしか使っていないよ うなもの。余ったコマを二、三借りて別の映像をサブリミナルみたいに差し込んでも、誰も気 づかない。だって、願っただろう? 絶対に叶わないと分かっていても、それでも願ってしま っただろう、「魔神」ども。宇宙の果ても重なる位相も調べ尽くして、もう新しいものなんか 何もないと分かってしまって。けれどもしもそんな事ができるのならば、煩わしい俗世の全て を捨て去って—————誰も知らない新天地で羽を伸ばしてみたい、って」

NT13 終章: あるいはこんな開幕も // The_End_is_Named......

js06

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-...”
“Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds. But at the same time, the world is a rubber string. It can stretch or contract like time or space. The world we know has a surprising amount of waste. It’s like using only ten frames when using sixty fps film. No one will notice if you stick some subliminal footage in using two or three of the leftover frames. This is what you wished for, isn’t it? You Magic Gods wished for this even though you knew it could never come true. You checked the farthest reaches of the universe and all of the piled-up phases and you realized there was nothing new left. But if it was possible, you wished to leave behind this troublesome world and spread your wings in a new world no one else knows of.”

NT13 Epilogue: Another Possible Beginning // The_End_is_Named......

 

[XDragnoir]

Since I have it in front of me... @XDragnoir
へいこうせかい = 並行世界 = Noun 1. parallel world; parallel universe.

RAW

js06

Thanks

 

[XDragnoir]

[TOARU] Kazakiri's Profile Rewording: Law Hax

Pretty simple and straight forward CRT: Magic in Toaru has a Law manipulation component to it, as can be seen in our page for it. Kazakiri Hyouka has the ability to distort said laws and even the Phases (layers of reality) in a large scale, but instead she does it to stop magic from working...

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[Doggo]

Ngl, why are Misaka's physicals scaled to 7-A via Salome? Salome is very clearly portrayed to be superhuman in terms of physicals. Has Misaka matched her in physicals outside of her Esper powers? The scaling breaks the narrative so badly it hurts. This is also likely to be a complete outlier with how heavily it contradicts the established power scaling normal humans have in the verse. You're telling me Touma, who normally has 9-B feats and is threatened by 9-A tech, can somehow punch with the force of a nuke? Yeah, hell no, lmao.

ig there is Touma parrying Thor's blades....which he did with Imagine Breaker

I won't make a CRT, I just want to point out a very weird part with the current scaling. Also, why is Misaka not 6-B via downscaling from Brunhield?

 

[XDragnoir]

Ngl, why are Misaka's physicals scaled to 7-A via Salome? Salome is very clearly portrayed to be superhuman in terms of physicals. Has Misaka matched her in physicals outside of her Esper powers?

If you read her profile again, you will notice her physical scaling comes from Touma, rather than Salome.

The scaling breaks the narrative so badly it hurts. This is also likely to be a complete outlier with how heavily it contradicts the established power scaling normal humans have in the verse. You're telling me Touma, who normally has 9-B feats and is threatened by 9-A tech, can somehow punch with the force of a nuke? Yeah, hell no, lmao.

This much I agree with, which is why the ratings will eventually be changed, but it's very unlikely the new tiers will be below 9A, from what I can tell, so this doesn't mean much either.

I won't make a CRT, I just want to point out a very weird part with the current scaling. Also, why is Misaka not 6-B via downscaling from Brunhield?

Because if that was in place already her physicals stats would be somewhere in L6B or 6B, due to how the current scaling works.

So I am nearly sure it was choosen to first sort out a better scaling than to have the stats even more narrative breaking, or maybe it wasn't intentional, but it's still better that it's not there yet.

 

[Doggo]

If you read her profile again, you will notice her physical scaling comes from Touma, rather than Salome.

The 7-A scaling comes from Salome scaling 1/5 of Misaka's power, which should not be scaled to Touma's and Misaka's physicals

 

[XDragnoir]

The 7-A scaling comes from Salome scaling 1/5 of Misaka's power, which should not be scaled to Touma's and Misaka's physicals

It scales to Touma’s physical because his physicals scale to Yuiitsu who then scales to Salome.

The profiles explain this pretty well, I'd say.

 

[Doggo]

It scales to Touma’s physical because his physicals scale to Yuiitsu who then scales to Salome.

The profiles explain this pretty well, I'd say.

Yuuitsu's profile only mentions her turning Salome to scrap via the A.A.A. I doubt we can scale normal humans' physicals to a weapon meant to kill magic gods.

 

[XDragnoir]

Yuuitsu's profile only mentions her turning Salome to scrap via the A.A.A. I doubt we can scale normal humans' physicals to a weapon meant to kill magic gods.

The profiles could be improved a good bit, stuff is all over the place instead of being as objective as possible in all profiles, I will give you that.

That being said, Salome and Yuiitsu are clearly peers in physical stats as can be seen here, which can be found in Salome's profile, meanwhile Touma himself was outskilled during his fight with Yuiitsu rather than outstated as his profile also showcases (if her attacks didn't cause internal damage, he would have been way better than Salome after a few hits as he wasn't even pushed back by the strikes).

Her AAA isn't the same as Noukan's and doesn't have Aleister's magic, so it's not a "weapon meant to kill MGs", it's a low quality copy, this is a pretty weak argument really (and only Salome's durability even has a certain level of scaling to the AAA, as I understand it, as the blunt attack from the chainsaw didn’t completely destroy her).

All in all, you're criticizing the parts of the scaling that are correct, the problem comes from the scaling Mikoto's railgun has currently.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Honestly, where does the idea that Salome is 1/5th of Misaka's Railgun even come from? I see the quote on the profile, but the quote doesn't say that.

Edit: Like, is the idea that 5 of Misaka's attacks are absorbed, so each of those are 1/5th of her final strength or something? Salome had a chain going before she started absorbing Misaka's attacks. And she can potentially gain more power from a weapon than she needs to destroy it (AP ≠ dura). And that, even if not for the last point, her power up to doubles after each absorption, meaning her power could be up to 2^5 times what it was before the first absorption if she absorbs 5 attacks, not up to 5 times.

 

[XDragnoir]

Honestly, where does the idea that Salome is 1/5th of Misaka's Railgun even come from? I see the quote on the profile, but the quote doesn't say that.

Edit: Like, is the idea that 5 of Misaka's attacks are absorbed, so each of those are 1/5th of her final strength or something? Salome had a chain going before she started absorbing Misaka's attacks. And she can potentially gain more power from a weapon than she needs to destroy it (AP ≠ dura). And that, even if not for the last point, her power up to doubles after each absorption, meaning her power could be up to 2^5 times what it was before the first absorption if she absorbs 5 attacks, not up to 5 times.

Bruh.

It seems that it makes more sense to scale Salome directly to a railgun than to 1/5.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Bruh.

It seems that it makes more sense to scale Salome directly to a railgun than to 1/5.

Like, with the chain she had going on against Misaka? Yeah.
Her base version? Nah, she definitely needed a chain for that.

 

[XDragnoir]

Like, with the chain she had going on against Misaka? Yeah.
Her base version? Nah, she definitely needed a chain for that.

The chain.

When did the chain with railgun end? Since we're discussing it this seems pretty important

 

[DontTalkDT]

I don't think we can say for sure.
The fight with Claire should still have had it.
However, it could have ended during the night that passed before the fight with Accelerator. I don't think we're told, since that part focuses on Internal Offering.
We know she creates or continues a chain during the fight with Accelerator using the remaining weapons in her bag, but if that's still the chain from Misaka is unclear.
I think

Salome could not use her full power as a mass murderer because she lacked the stock of weapons she needed to destroy.

More accurately, she had used up her stock from that day by slicing the incinerator and had lacked what she needed to keep her chain going.

strongly implies that it at minimum was broken before the clash with Kihara Yuiitsu.

 

[XDragnoir]

I don't think we can say for sure.
The fight with Claire should still have had it.
However, it could have ended during the night that passed before the fight with Accelerator. I don't think we're told, since that part focuses on Internal Offering.
We know she creates or continues a chain during the fight with Accelerator using the remaining weapons in her bag, but if that's still the chain from Misaka is unclear.
I think

strongly implies that it at minimum was broken before the clash with Kihara Yuiitsu.

From what I understood from the quote currently in her page, the sequence there had only 4 items before the railgun, the chain when fighting Yuiitsu would have a lot more than 4, so we can probably scale them anyway

 

[DontTalkDT]

From what I understood from the quote currently in her page, the sequence there had only 4 items before the railgun, the chain when fighting Yuiitsu would have a lot more than 4, so we can probably scale them anyway

Nah.

For one, we know Salome started before the fight against Misaka with absorbing weapons.

She did not recognize the barefoot girl.

Her silver hair glittered at certain angles like a CD and it was rolled up on either side of her head like disks or demon horns. She had a small and slender body. Most noticeable of all, she wore translucent raincoats directly over her bare skin, creating a bizarre outfit that only seemed practical if she was worried about getting a victim’s blood on her in a dark bathroom. She held a heavy sports bag by a shoulder strap, but Mikoto seriously doubted it contained baseball bats or lacrosse sticks. Even if it did contain sports equipment, Mikoto doubted it would be used in the intended fashion.

Despite the cold, the girl seemed to be eating a vanilla popsicle.

No. Mikoto had no way of knowing, but that was actually a bleached leather paddle meant for striking people. That tool of torture was easier to use than a whip which required snapping, and it could apply deep and definite damage.

“Lick, lick. Hmm, leather doesn’t taste very good. Or maybe the problem’s the oil rubbed onto it for maintenance.”

Sounding displeased, the double raincoat girl removed the paddle from her mouth. She then easily tore it in two like a rejected contract.

Mikoto did not know the details, but whatever that had been, she knew it was not normal to tear apart that thick a piece of leather with one’s bare hands. It had to be even harder than tearing the phonebook in two.

Contextually, that paddle definitely was a weapon as part of a chain, meaning the list Salome gives later are only the things she absorbed during the fight.
If we count that, plus the bicycle, rubble, telephone pole and iron sand sword she absorbed in the fight, she has indeed 5 weapons, before absorbing the railgun.
But there is absolutely nothing saying that the paddle was the first weapon in that chain.
More likely: That paddle served to keep the chain going that she build up at least from the point where she robbed the bank earlier that day.

Second, Salome gets the power of the weapons she absorbs, so it matters what she absorbs. A 5 weapon chain isn't always the same strength. She could absorb a hundred regular handguns and it wouldn't make her powerful enough to face a railgun.
Her power only managed to escalate so well in the Misaka fight, because Misaka slowly ramped up the strength of her attacks from "weak" to her stronger ones.

At the beginning of her fight against Yuiitsu Salome likely had nothing going.
Then she was lending weapons from her allies, which were indeed implied to be several dozen. However, the things mentioned are a blade, a blunt weapon, a gun, a chain, a flamethrower, a katana, tear gas, a sledgehammer etc. Needless to say, the combined power of such mundane weapons don't come close to what Misaka gave her to absorb.

And from the moment Salome has her chain Yuiitsu stops matching her, being forced into a hopeless battle where she can only survive via her coat blow diversion technique.

Kihara Yuiitsu was using her lab coat to divert the various attacks and keep the damage to a minimum, but that shield of cloth was growing tattered. If the attacks continued, the article of clothing would completely tear apart and no longer function as a shield. Once she could no longer use it, it was all over.

The moment Salome then actually lands some hit, this is the result

Once the initial attack failed, this was back in Mass Murderer Salome’s territory.

She had consumed so many girls to thoroughly polish up her External Offering’s chain. She could now slice a warship in two with a single swing of her arm and she swung that arm almost casually.

Kihara Yuiitsu gave up on using her shield.

For the first time, she jumped to the side with all her might to dodge.

But not even that was enough.

A moment later, Kihara Yuiitsu’s right hand was severed with a noise so pleasant it seemed out of place.

In short, the only part of Yuiitsu that even scales to Salome with a chain at all, is Yuiitsu's coat blow diversion technique. And that only for a chain that doesn't actually scale to the railgun.

Yuiitsu would only scale to chainless Salome, but the best direct statement we have on her is that she could break a japanese sword with bare hands.

If her chain of destroying weapons and offering them to her god was broken, she would be nothing more than an eccentric with enough ridiculous strength to break a Japanese sword barehanded.